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Looking for examples and set-up tips for the "flash in a box" pic.

 
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Dec 09, 2012 19:40 |  #1

I have a small family coming over tomorrow night and might light like to try a shot of them looking into a wrapped box with the flash actually in the box wirelessly triggered. I have seen some examples on this forum but am unable to find any now. Any help with examples and set-up tips would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!


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Dec 09, 2012 22:08 |  #2

No examples but I would be sure to line the box with white to avoid colour casts. Great and fun idea!


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Dec 09, 2012 22:13 |  #3

Keep the flash power low and add some other off camera light to balance the light and create some interesting back/ side/front light. Remember, the light coming from the box will be your key light but it should not be your only light.


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Dec 09, 2012 22:29 |  #4

If you can, make a diffusion panel out of something like a sheet of white paper so that the spread of the flash is increased.




  
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Dec 09, 2012 22:33 |  #5

gonzogolf wrote in post #15347369 (external link)
If you can, make a diffusion panel out of something like a sheet of white paper so that the spread of the flash is increased.


I would take it a step farther and line the box with white paper on the sides and bottom. The have the flash facing down instead of up.


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Dec 10, 2012 09:31 |  #6

jcolman wrote in post #15347380 (external link)
I would take it a step farther and line the box with white paper on the sides and bottom. The have the flash facing down instead of up.

Yep, anything to make the light source appear larger and more diffuse.




  
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Dec 10, 2012 11:14 |  #7

I actually did face the flash down toward a piece of Styrofoam....I think the ideas mentioned above will add to the effect I am looking for.....thanks guys! Still would like to see an example though so I can light it right.


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Dec 10, 2012 14:17 |  #8

Here is a quick test shot.
600EX-RT in box, another 600EX-RT back camera right with small soft box.

Box 600 Gr A -3 FEC, kicker 600 Gr B -2 FEC. 1/160, F5.6 ISO 200.

I put a piece of white craft foam in the bottom of the box and just laid the flash in the box.

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Dec 10, 2012 14:30 |  #9

dmward wrote in post #15349728 (external link)
Here is a quick test shot.
600EX-RT in box, another 600EX-RT back camera right with small soft box.

Box 600 Gr A -3 FEC, kicker 600 Gr B -2 FEC. 1/160, F5.6 ISO 200.

I put a piece of white craft foam in the bottom of the box and just laid the flash in the box.

STE3 on camera.

Looks good but needs more external lighting, unless you're going for that real dramatic look.

You might want to have the flash in the box a tad brighter too.


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Dec 10, 2012 17:48 |  #10

Thanks David! I got the same kind of result with my test shot that you did. I agree with Jim that a bit more external light would make it more to what I am looking for. I think if you upped the box light you would probably blow the highlights on your skin though....the external light would probably get the skin more exposed and lessen the dramatic look a little. They will be here in a few minutes...wish me luck! I will post the final pic here for those who took the time to help so you can see what "we" came up with!


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Dec 10, 2012 21:55 |  #11

Well here is what I got....the clients were happy but I think I could still have added a bit more fill light....for the short time I had to set it up, I am happy enough..........thanks again for the help guys!

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Dec 10, 2012 22:39 |  #12

With a dark shot like that an OOF xmas tree lights and/or fireplace would be pretty nifty in the background...




  
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Dec 11, 2012 04:53 |  #13

I actually thought about the lights but kinda figured they might not show up too much since the test shot I did was in front of a Christmas tree, and they were invisible. Fireplace I have....and yes it would have worked well but I was relegated to the studio on this shot. Thanks!


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Dec 11, 2012 10:01 |  #14

jcolman wrote in post #15349770 (external link)
Looks good but needs more external lighting, unless you're going for that real dramatic look.

You might want to have the flash in the box a tad brighter too.

This was not intended to be a "production" shot. Just a quick shot to illustrate how easy it is to use TTL as a means for lighting from a box.

If I were to do this for real I'd get the environment exposure the way I want it, then add the "light in the box" as the last element. With the 600EX-RT I can add it as a separate group and control its power from the camera.

If I were doing this for a client, I'd be inclined to have a Christmas tree in the background OoF as mentioned.
The kicker would have some gelling so it looked like it was coming from either the tree or a fireplace.

I like the result that P-n-S got.
Lighting on dad is good, mom is OK and...
The risk is the underlighting horror mask look like on the little boy because he is looking up.

With LR 4.2 I bring raw files in with a preset that applies my custom camera profile, Exposure 0, contrast 0, highlights -50, shadows +50, whites -50, blacks +25, and clarity +15. That may be why the skin tones are darker than optimal since I didn't "fiddle" with anything other than cropping.


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Dec 11, 2012 11:38 |  #15

dmward wrote in post #15353074 (external link)
This was not intended to be a "production" shot. Just a quick shot to illustrate how easy it is to use TTL as a means for lighting from a box.

If I were to do this for real I'd get the environment exposure the way I want it, then add the "light in the box" as the last element. With the 600EX-RT I can add it as a separate group and control its power from the camera.

If I were doing this for a client, I'd be inclined to have a Christmas tree in the background OoF as mentioned.
The kicker would have some gelling so it looked like it was coming from either the tree or a fireplace.

I like the result that P-n-S got.
Lighting on dad is good, mom is OK and...
The risk is the underlighting horror mask look like on the little boy because he is looking up.

With LR 4.2 I bring raw files in with a preset that applies my custom camera profile, Exposure 0, contrast 0, highlights -50, shadows +50, whites -50, blacks +25, and clarity +15. That may be why the skin tones are darker than optimal since I didn't "fiddle" with anything other than cropping.

Understood. At least you went to the trouble of shooting a shot for the rest of us.

I like the final result that P-n-S got with the exception of one thing: the rest of the photo. It seems to me that often people worry about how to pull off a shot without giving much thought to the other aspects of the environment of the photo. Like you mentioned, had this been a production shot that you produced, there would have been a tree, more lighting, etc. That is exactly what is missing from P-n-S's pic.

One of these days I'm going to write up a post about how the "one light" technique doesn't always work. ;)


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