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Tips for Boring or Dark Wedding Ceremony Venues?

 
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Dec 07, 2012 07:16 |  #31

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I'm surprised with how many of you run into no-flash rules at churches. I have yet to have a church not allow me to use flashes for the ceremony. It seems most people have the same idea with ugly venues though, just shoot close and let the DOF kill the background.

Obviously if you can't add light, it is just a matter of cranking iso up and using small apertures, your hands are tied.

I was thinking the same thing. I have not had a church where flash was not allowed. I have always asked the reverend in charge and they tell me to fire away.


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Dec 07, 2012 08:53 |  #32

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Good advice here, actually I personally think that I'd rather just shoot with one flash for bounce right on camera if it was allowed combined with high iso.

Now you're on the right track. During a wedding, things are moving so fast that you rarely have time to put into practice things like "an assistant with some lights behind me so that the inverse square light law etc... etc... etc" You just have to shoot.

During the reception, you can put up lights and shoot better quality photos. I usually place 3 or 4 lights around the reception venue.


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Dec 07, 2012 09:22 |  #33

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I was thinking the same thing. I have not had a church where flash was not allowed. I have always asked the reverend in charge and they tell me to fire away.

Now that's curious. My experience has been quite the opposite. Now I wonder where the difference is. Is it regional? Is it denominational? A combination of both? Or is it really just random luck of the draw?

I'm in southern Indiana and the churches I have most frequently shot in were larger and older churches. Many were catholic churches in fact with the stained glass and lovely architecture. The few places where I haven't run into a problem have been smaller modern "churches", many of which from the outside aren't very, for lack of a better word, "churchy" looking. It has been about 1 in 3 smaller rural churches that have allowed flash photography during the ceremony. One pastor specifically told me that his main concern wasn't me with a flash, but that there were over 100 people in the audience with cameras and camera phones that he didn't want to encourage as he wanted them to be "one with the new family" while they exchange vows rather than be watching from behind their camera which "disconnects" them. I happen to agree with this part but I'm not sure what the hired pro's flash has to do with it.


I have shot two Jewish ceremonies which didn't allow flash photography and an Indian wedding which was an amazing affair which not only insisted that I do whatever I could to capture everything, but wore me out wanting a shot of each guest with the wedding couple! (I would love to specialize in Indian weddings if there were enough of that culture in my area to support me!)


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Dec 13, 2012 09:39 |  #34

I recently attended a wedding for a family member where I was not the photographer. I even left my camera at home (big mistake). Anyway, I commandeered one of my cousins' Rebel XS with kit lens and immediately turned it to manual mode and started shooting. I bumped the ISO up to 1600 and opened up the aperture as wide as the lens would allow. When I reviewed the pictures I saw a lot of noise and the pictures were all blurry, mostly due to lower MP of the sensor, distance from the B&G and light falloff to the lens. There was only one skylight above the altar and double glass doors in the back of the church, other than that there was no other light source.

The priest would not allow flash during the ceremony.

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Dec 19, 2012 09:39 |  #35

ISO tests should be conducted without on onboard flash on ETTL. i think 99.99% of everyone here will agree that the 5D classic or any other full frame camera is vastly superior to any rebel in that department. at churches, you're bound to have darker areas/colors which is where noise really shows itself. exposing to the right helps, but definitely more so on FF than crop.


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Dec 19, 2012 17:13 |  #36

very nice to read all the discussions here.
of course with the current model ie 5D3 etc ISO >5000 can be really clean.

In terms of Tips for boring event, here i go,
1. Someone mentioned "tight" -> use longer focal length and move yourself (hopefully) to get some nice Background.
2. get some details rather than overall.

for Dark churches,
0. take RAW (I assume everyone (almost) takes in RAW) :)
1. Rule one for me, Prevent slow shutter speed (1/30 min -> depend on FL too). 200mm -> 1/60 min
2. If your cam body does not have a clean high ISO, I will go to the max (clean -> subjective) ISO then lower EV to -2/3. **This -EV here is to help increase the min shutter speed since I cant increase ISO. If you really cant maintain the min SS, "F it" and increase your ISO! Rather take sharp pic with noise than clean yet blurry pic.
3. Flash or no flash... of course if u can, then use it. Even if I dont fire flash, I ETTL it. (I am yet to experience churches that forbides flash but I have never fire flash in churches. I want to be as slient as possible.

If the above dont work for you, its time to upgrade your camera body.

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Dec 20, 2012 01:44 |  #37

Great work.
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