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what is my next logical buy.

 
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Dec 15, 2012 09:14 |  #1

Hello All,

I got the canon 60D with the 15-85 f/3.5-5.6 15-85mm USM IS lens. Now, if you were me, what would be your next logical acquisition. I have to say that I am still learning photography and I have a long way to go. I don't know if I should buy a flash as well. I would also like to take some indoor pictures as outdoor, maybe have a better lens for bokeh hence why I have thought of 40mm canon do some closeups! I was hesitating between those:

Canon 40mm pancake f/2.8
Canon 50mm f/1.8
Canon 35mm f/2
Canon 500d mounted on my current lens
Canon Flash 430 EX II

Thank you for your thoughts!


Canon 60D | Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM | Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II | Canon Flash Speedlite 430EX II | flickr (external link)

  
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Dec 15, 2012 09:18 |  #2

430ex and then the sigma 30mm f1.4


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Dec 15, 2012 09:19 |  #3

If you own the 15-85, you already have some really excellent glass. The 15-85's weakness is that it does not do well in low light situations due to having a fairly small aperture.

If I were you, the first step would be a flash. You can pick up a Canon 430 ex II used on these forums for around $200. Learning flash as you learn photography would really benefit you.

You ARE right that the 15-85 is not the best lens for creating "bokeh" or actually shallow depth of field. The 40mm pancake is a very sharp lens, but even that 2.8 aperture is still not going to create too much shallow depth of field and bokeh on a 60D. If you want a second lens, the 50mm 1.8 II would be a great choice for portraiture and creating shallow depth of field.

Those are the less expensive options. If you really want a great indoor lens(without flash) the sigma 30 1.4 listed above is amazing and can create nice bokeh and shallow depth of field(the 35 f2 is a great lens too, but the sigma is a full stop faster and will let in twice as much light and create shallower DOF and more bokeh). The 85 1.8 would be the second lens I would recommend at a slightly higher price point, as it is a very nice lens with fast autofocus and very good optics that can create very shallow depth of field and take great portraits. It's more of an outdoor focal length, though.


| Bodies - 5D Mark II, T2i | Lenses - Helios 44-2, Sigma 35mm 1.4, Sigma 85 1.4, Sigma 70-200 2.8 OS, Tamron SP AF 1.4x TC | Lights - 430ex ii x2, Random 3rd party strobes

  
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Dec 15, 2012 09:46 |  #4

Lexar wrote in post #15369615 (external link)
430ex and then the sigma 30mm f1.4

Will I buy able to have good indoor pictures with the flash in bounce mode I guess?


Canon 60D | Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM | Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II | Canon Flash Speedlite 430EX II | flickr (external link)

  
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Dec 15, 2012 09:55 |  #5

Zeiterphoto wrote in post #15369693 (external link)
Will I buy able to have good indoor pictures with the flash in bounce mode I guess?

Yes.

I recommend you start here:
http://neilvn.com …hniques/4-bouncing-flash/ (external link)


| Bodies - 5D Mark II, T2i | Lenses - Helios 44-2, Sigma 35mm 1.4, Sigma 85 1.4, Sigma 70-200 2.8 OS, Tamron SP AF 1.4x TC | Lights - 430ex ii x2, Random 3rd party strobes

  
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Dec 15, 2012 10:04 |  #6

get a flash.




  
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Dec 15, 2012 10:13 |  #7

thanks guys, I will try to find a used flash...


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Dec 15, 2012 10:32 |  #8

drzenitram wrote in post #15369717 (external link)
Yes.

I recommend you start here:
http://neilvn.com …hniques/4-bouncing-flash/ (external link)

Nice link. I'm going to try some of that, instead of straight off the ceiling as I have been.

And I agree with getting a flash before another lens.


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Dec 15, 2012 10:49 |  #9

Zeiterphoto wrote in post #15369599 (external link)
Hello All,

I got the canon 60D with the 15-85 f/3.5-5.6 15-85mm USM IS lens. Now, if you were me, what would be your next logical acquisition. I have to say that I am still learning photography and I have a long way to go. I don't know if I should buy a flash as well. I would also like to take some indoor pictures as outdoor, maybe have a better lens for bokeh hence why I have thought of 40mm canon do some closeups! I was hesitating between those:

Canon 40mm pancake f/2.8
Canon 50mm f/1.8
Canon 35mm f/2
Canon 500d mounted on my current lens
Canon Flash 430 EX II

Thank you for your thoughts!

My questions for you are these:

1) How much money you got or can you save?
2) How much money are you willing to spend (probably more important than #1)?
3) Can you be more specific on your subject goals. Indoor and Outdoor are very generic. Are we talking portraits (indoor or outdoor), sports (indoor or outdoor), macro, wildlife, landscape, architectural, street/PJ, weddings/events, etc?

Now, just analyzing your initial post, I'm going to go against everyone here and say do not invest in a flash right now. And if you are going to go ahead and buy a flash anyway, there are better and cheaper options than 430EX. Just my opinion. Others will vehemently disagree.




  
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drzenitram
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Dec 15, 2012 10:54 |  #10

protege wrote in post #15369893 (external link)
My questions for you are these:

1) How much money you got or can you save?
2) How much money are you willing to spend (probably more important than #1)?
3) Can you be more specific on your subject goals. Indoor and Outdoor are very generic. Are we talking portraits (indoor or outdoor), sports (indoor or outdoor), macro, wildlife, landscape, architectural, street/PJ, weddings/events, etc?

Now, just analyzing your initial post, I'm going to go against everyone here and say do not invest in a flash right now. And if you are going to go ahead and buy a flash anyway, there are better and cheaper options than 430EX. Just my opinion. Others will vehemently disagree.

I disagree with you about the 430ex because it's the cheapest ettl flash with HSS on the market, both of which are very desirable in a general purpose flash! I had a yongnuo 565ex, which is cheaper and more powerful and has ettl, but it doesn't have HSS. It was also my 3rd yongnuo to burn out and never work again after a few months use.


| Bodies - 5D Mark II, T2i | Lenses - Helios 44-2, Sigma 35mm 1.4, Sigma 85 1.4, Sigma 70-200 2.8 OS, Tamron SP AF 1.4x TC | Lights - 430ex ii x2, Random 3rd party strobes

  
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Dec 15, 2012 10:55 |  #11

Lexar wrote in post #15369615 (external link)
430ex and then the sigma 30mm f1.4

+1 if money is tight...flash and canon 35f2


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Dec 15, 2012 11:05 |  #12

drzenitram wrote in post #15369717 (external link)
Yes.

I recommend you start here:
http://neilvn.com …hniques/4-bouncing-flash/ (external link)

I would have to agree with this. Get yourself a flash and some gels. I would also recommend that you pick up Neils book about On-camera flash. I just finished it and it is a FANTASTIC read. Lots of great information that really helped me tie everything that I have learned together. His blog also contains lots of very useful information. My vote, go for the flash.


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Dec 15, 2012 11:15 |  #13

drzenitram wrote in post #15369902 (external link)
I disagree with you about the 430ex because it's the cheapest ettl flash with HSS on the market, both of which are very desirable in a general purpose flash! I had a yongnuo 565ex, which is cheaper and more powerful and has ettl, but it doesn't have HSS. It was also my 3rd yongnuo to burn out and never work again after a few months use.

Cheaper than the YN568EX?




  
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Dec 15, 2012 11:30 |  #14

protege wrote in post #15369967 (external link)
Cheaper than the YN568EX?

That's a yongnuo product, which automatically makes it a non-factor for me after having 3 fail on me during events. I would no longer recommend a yongnuo product to anyone. However, the listed price of that flash on amazon is $190 and you can frequently find 430ex ii flashes on POTN for $190-200.


| Bodies - 5D Mark II, T2i | Lenses - Helios 44-2, Sigma 35mm 1.4, Sigma 85 1.4, Sigma 70-200 2.8 OS, Tamron SP AF 1.4x TC | Lights - 430ex ii x2, Random 3rd party strobes

  
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Dec 15, 2012 11:34 |  #15

Lexar wrote in post #15369615 (external link)
430ex and then the sigma 30mm f1.4

+1

Both worth getting IMHO.




  
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