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Dec 15, 2012 13:35 |  #31

Is 8mp enough, it allows mag quality 12x8 prints, if so the IQ and speed and price of a well taken care of 1d mark ii or mark ii n are hard to beat


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Dec 15, 2012 14:23 |  #32

jaomul wrote in post #15370379 (external link)
Is 8mp enough, it allows mag quality 12x8 prints, if so the IQ and speed and price of a well taken care of 1d mark ii or mark ii n are hard to beat

8MP is just too little for me. Too many restrictions. I need a decent body to get me by for 1 year and then decide where I can go from there. I have seen so many strong examples with both a 40D and 50D that I feel this is a good call for the beginning. In terms of longer lenses, I have been talking so some people who have shot at Mosport and 300 is a good length but depending on the section of the track may not be needed. All depends on what kind of shots you are trying to get. Hence why the 70-200 will be a better fit, and even the 1.4 when I need that extra length.


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Dec 15, 2012 14:53 |  #33

You probably wont go wrong with a 40d or 50d either. From experience the 40d though a little older was a better camera despite the smaller res sensor


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Dec 15, 2012 14:54 |  #34

Tony_Stark wrote in post #15370509 (external link)
8MP is just too little for me. Too many restrictions...

Such as...?
Megapixels are not the be all and end all, even if you do need to crop sometimes.
How often will you be making enlargements bigger than 20" x 30"?


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Dec 15, 2012 14:58 |  #35

philwillmedia wrote in post #15370612 (external link)
Such as...?
Megapixels are not the be all and end all, even if you do need to crop sometimes.
How often will you be making enlargements bigger than 20" x 30"?

Well first off IQ wise, it would be 15 MP vs. 8MP, almost double the res. Cropping ability is another factor when my lens is not long enough or I want to alter composition, need some flexibility in that regard. I may also be doing some photos for sponsors at these races and god knows what their end needs will be, and if they do want to go big with prints (20 x 30 is not THAT big, but starting to be..) and don't want to be put in that situation where I can't provide that for them.

Those are MY needs and what I need the camera to do for me. Im happy people are ok with their 8MP cameras, and am not knocking against them at all. Just for my needs, its too little to use. One of the main reasons I went to a 5D2 from the 50D was the boost in IQ and that nice massive sensor which gave me 21MP over the previous 15. Its given me a ton of flexibility in the cropping department (I don't usually crop, just when I need to) and printing massive files with it is a breeze. Can't imagine having a 8MP non-FF sensor...


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Dec 15, 2012 16:16 |  #36

Tony_Stark wrote in post #15370338 (external link)
What about this guys,

Year 1: 50D combined with 70-200 II + 1.4 TC

Year 2: Upgrade to "7D2" or 1DIV and still have 70-200, but can look at a 300 prime of some sort.

I really feel like investing in the 70-200 II is the way to go over a body right now. I can use it for 99% of my shooting, except for wide angle. The 70-300L would stay in my bag when not being used at a track or if the light is poor.

Get the 70-200mm over the 70-300mm for sure. You will regret not getting it down the road. As I stated earlier the 70-200 ii is a magical lens, Canon's best zoom lens.




  
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Dec 15, 2012 16:32 as a reply to  @ londonbairn's post |  #37

Think of it this way.
3 years ago, before the 7d came out and the 1d3 was super expensive still, many people shot with the 50d at the track and made awesome photos.

Its still the same camera (as mentioned earlier) so spend the $500 on one and enjoy it.:cool:



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Dec 15, 2012 17:06 |  #38

Tony, a 50D will do the job & I agree, invest in the lens first then the body.

What would you want to spend on a used 50D? I have mine for sale though I've also been thinking of using if for a photo booth concept.

https://photography-on-the.net …p?t=1243900&hig​hlight=50d

Negotiable (and local) if you're interested.


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Dec 15, 2012 19:16 as a reply to  @ Rubi Jane's post |  #39

Get a used 40D and spend money on the lens. AF tracking is good, and frame rate is sufficient. It's a solid camera to learn and refine technique, which is more important than having the latest and greatest body.

At most tracks, a 70-200 is going to be too short unless you have a photo pass. As others have advised, the 1.4x extender is going to affect AF responsiveness. I would recommend the 70-300L or the 100-400L; think Safari lens. If you can't afford an L lens, get the 70-300 IS to start with for $500.

To give you an idea of the distances you have to cover from the spectator areas, here are a few of my shots from this year's Sonoma Historics using a 40D with the 100-400L, mostly shot at 400mm (640mm on an APS-C camera), with moderate cropping:

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Dec 15, 2012 20:54 |  #40

jhayesvw wrote in post #15370882 (external link)
Think of it this way.
3 years ago, before the 7d came out and the 1d3 was super expensive still, many people shot with the 50d at the track and made awesome photos.

Its still the same camera (as mentioned earlier) so spend the $500 on one and enjoy it.:cool:

Exactly my reasoning. People have done far better, for less ;) I have seen a ton of good work from people shooting with these cameras, and even lesser gear.

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Tony, a 50D will do the job & I agree, invest in the lens first then the body.

What would you want to spend on a used 50D? I have mine for sale though I've also been thinking of using if for a photo booth concept.

https://photography-on-the.net …p?t=1243900&hig​hlight=50d

Negotiable (and local) if you're interested.

I'm not in the market right now, I will be later on next year closer to the dates that I will be shooting the events. Thank you very much for the offer, and if you still have it available later, I will for sure look you up!

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Get a used 40D and spend money on the lens. AF tracking is good, and frame rate is sufficient. It's a solid camera to learn and refine technique, which is more important than having the latest and greatest body.

At most tracks, a 70-200 is going to be too short unless you have a photo pass. As others have advised, the 1.4x extender is going to affect AF responsiveness. I would recommend the 70-300L or the 100-400L; think Safari lens. If you can't afford an L lens, get the 70-300 IS to start with for $500.

To give you an idea of the distances you have to cover from the spectator areas, here are a few of my shots from this year's Sonoma Historics using a 40D with the 100-400L, mostly shot at 400mm (640mm on an APS-C camera), with moderate cropping:

This will not be for spectator shooting, this will be work for my clients. The Tamron 70-300 I heard is a great lens for the money, but from the samples I have seen on the long end, not very impressed. But for $400 can be a great back up lens if anything.


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Dec 15, 2012 21:38 |  #41

Is Mosport going to be where you're shooting the majority of the time? If so you should be able to get by with a 70-200 because you're allowed close in many areas. Have you shot enough motorsports to get it right? If so you should know it's more about technique than gear because you're going to have very good panning skills. You'll need slow shutter speeds to get the right mix of background & wheel blur while still freezing the car. Based on my 2 trips to Mosport years ago I could do a very good job with your 5D2 and my 70-200 L IS, 35-350 L or 28-300 L IS.

Coming up to the entry of turn 3, 1D2n, 70-200 f2.8 L IS 1/100 sec

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This area of photography is a lot more about technique than most realize. Use too high a shutter speed & it will look like the car is parked on the track. The Mustang in this photo is at full song, accelerating out of a fast corner & I used 1/500 for the shot, which was a gear test not a technique test.

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You are going to need to shoot at under 1/320 if you intend to have shots that reflect the idea that the cars are racing around the track.

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Dec 15, 2012 21:47 |  #42

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Is Mosport going to be where you're shooting the majority of the time? If so you should be able to get by with a 70-200 because you're allowed close in many areas. Have you shot enough motorsports to get it right? If so you should know it's more about technique than gear because you're going to have very good panning skills. You'll need slow shutter speeds to get the right mix of background & wheel blur while still freezing the car. Based on my 2 trips to Mosport years ago I could do a very good job with your 5D2 and my 70-200 L IS, 35-350 L or 28-300 L IS.

Coming up to the entry of turn 3, 1D2n, 70-200 f2.8 L IS 1/100 sec

You are going to need to shoot at under 1/320 if you intend to have shots that reflect the idea that the cars are racing around the track.

For the purpose of this thread, this body is specifically for my needs at Mosport, with a 70-200 II being used for track and other shoots I have to do. I need a second body and for now I feel the 50D would do the job well.


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Dec 15, 2012 21:56 |  #43

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I need a second body and for now I feel the 50D would do the job well.

Totally agree but if you could find a used 7D for a similar price locally it's worth considering. I've seen a few on Kijiji in my area that weren't that much more expensive & even sold mine a bit on the cheap side, but most were offering even less.


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Dec 15, 2012 22:10 |  #44

I've shot with a 30D, 40D and even a 5D Classic at various tracks. Of them all, the 40D worked the best before I upgraded to a 1DMkIII. Upside of the 40D is the weight. Downside of the 1D MkIII is the weight, but setting the focus points low allows you to track the car/bike in the lower third a lot easier than the other prosumer cameras. I also use my 1D with the 1.4X and 400MM 5.6. Something you can't do with autofocus with anything less than a 1D camera.


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Dec 17, 2012 23:11 |  #45

Been giving this more and more thought. Came up with some more ideas, and wanting to go the 70-300 variant direction. Right now a 70-200 II and a 1.4 TC may be really stretching things.

How about this, if you had to choose:

1) 1D3 + Tamron 70-300 VC
2) 50D + 70-300L
3) If I can somehow manage a $3000 budget, 1D3 + 70-300L (preferred)
4) 50D + Tamron 70-300 VC, wait for 7D2 announcement, decide whether to keep 50D, upgrade to 7D2, or 1D3/4 models.

Let me know what you guys think. I know #3 would be the best, but lets say its not an option ;)


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