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Dec 17, 2012 04:08 |  #16

steve67 wrote in post #15375553 (external link)
The only reason I was thinking about the 7D over the 60D is because what I have read about the 60D not being that great with sports or is that untrue? My son races motocross and plays football, my daughter plays soccer. I am a beginner of sorts; I used to have an EOS 7 back in 2000 and a few lenses and loved it. Fast-forward 12 years and a half dozen point and shoots that are not cutting it anymore.


60D works for sports but the choice of lens is going to be more important for sports and action shots. So be sure to leave room in the budget for a good telephoto !
the 60D has recently been on the CLP program for $640




  
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Dec 17, 2012 04:46 |  #17

go for it, you'll love 7d. good luck




  
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Dec 17, 2012 04:57 |  #18

Sometimes some of the answers can seem quite condescending when you are just asking a question. We all have to start somewhere. The Rebels are very capable cameras, as is the 60d and 7d. IQ wise, they are probably about the same. I recently upgraded from a Rebel T1i to a Canon 5D ii - I do love the 5D ii, but I also loved my Rebel. When I changed cameras, I changed my lens line-up. Some days I wish for the 'old stuff' back. My point is, whatever you start with and learn with, you are probably going to love. And it will serve you well for many years. What you have listed is a great kit - perhaps you want to start with just the camera and one lens. Learn your style and let your next selection be based on that. Good luck and have fun with whatever you get.


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Dec 17, 2012 07:11 |  #19

ScubaDude wrote in post #15375858 (external link)
The 7D is much too complex for a beginner. The steeper learning curve may well ruin the hobby for you. I'd start off with a T4i with the kit lens and use the rest of your budget for a telephoto lens for sports (the Tamron 70-300 VC is a great lens, and not too expensive). Maybe buy a flash, too.

Well said.


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Dec 17, 2012 07:54 |  #20

The 28-135 is a good lens, but not very wide on a crop camera. Will you be taking pictures indoors of your family? Landscape photos? You may want to consider a wider zoom like the 17-55 or 17-50 or even 18-55. You may also want to consider a prime for indoor use and/or portraits. And perhaps also a flash.

I would go with a 60D (or a used 50D or 40D) and put the savings towards some more lenses. This will give you a better idea which lenses you will use, and you can sell the ones you don't without taking much of a loss.


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Dec 18, 2012 21:36 |  #21

Buylongterm wrote in post #15375645 (external link)
60D can take great sports shots if you know how to use it. The 7D is obviously a better camera but has a ton of options that can be very overwhelming. It is a camera that one needs to read the manual several times to understand it. When I first got my 7D I blamed a lot of bad pics on the camera. Turns out it wasn't the camera. It was the "guy" taking the pics. :-)

I would seriously look at the 60D or T4i to see if your truly serious about the hobby before throwing down a lot of money.

I had a t1i--- not optimal for sports- but if you have an idea of how to use it- yeah- even that will work with sports.. If you get heavily into sports photography- consider the 7D or 5D3.. Till then- I'd suggest a T4i with the 18-135 IS STM lens to start out. The T4i and 60D have all cross type AF points- which help with tracking.. the 7D- has more options to choose- and more points to focus with- both a boon. Still- it's your choice.

ScubaDude wrote in post #15375858 (external link)
The 7D is much too complex for a beginner. The steeper learning curve may well ruin the hobby for you. I'd start off with a T4i with the kit lens and use the rest of your budget for a telephoto lens for sports (the Tamron 70-300 VC is a great lens, and not too expensive). Maybe buy a flash, too.

A 7D is complex.. But you can grow into one.. However, there are lots of things to explore- and those items cost $$$- I'd still suggest a T4i with 18-135 IS STM - starting out.. If money is not an issue for you later- well- the 7D is a great camera.. The t4i- has more "fun" things in it- like in camera HDR,... It's still very capable...


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Dec 18, 2012 23:47 |  #22

Like others have said, the 60D is a great choice, and I think its going for 639 refurbed from Canon.

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Dec 22, 2012 17:49 as a reply to  @ Jperture's post |  #23

It sounds like you have done some good research and you know what you need. With your background, I'd get the 7D, for sure.


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Dec 22, 2012 19:17 |  #24

Do not get a 7D. That will tie up too much of your budget in the camera and really limit your choice of lenses.

60D is fine for sports. In fact, I've shot sports with similar (50D) and even much less capable cameras (30D, 10D, Elan 7). Sure, the 7D might get one or two more keepers per hundred shots, once you learn how to use it well... but at a lot of extra cost.

Quality lenses are also a big factor capturing sports shots... USM (and similar HSM from Sigma, USD from Tamron) makes for faster, more accurate focus.

Besides Amazon, look at B&H and Adorama, and at the refurbished at the Canon Store. Prices here are from Amazon...

60D with 18-135 kit lens............... $900
Lens hood for 18-135mm lens............... $23 (sold separately)
BG-E9 grip for 60D............... $150
Extra LP-E6 battery for grip............... $58
EF 70-200/4L............... $630 (lens hood included with L-series)
2 ea. Lexar or Sandisk 16GB SDHC Class 10 memory cards.... $40

That's a total of about............... $1800

Or get the 60D body only for about $200 less, and get a different standard zoom:
- Refurb 28-135 at Canon Store is $190, plus $24 for the lens hood that's sold separately. It's got USM, which the 18-135 doesn't have. But 28mm just isn't very wide on a crop camera.
And it might be nice to have f2.8 on a standard zoom.
- 17-55/2.8 IS USM is a super lens, but costs $1000 new. That would blow your budget!
- Tamron 17-50/2.8 non-VC is a popular alternative that sells for $500. It's sharper than the more expensive VC version. This is within your budget (assuming it replaces the 18-135), but won't be as fast focusing as a Canon USM lens or a Sigma HSM lens.
- Sigma 17-50/2.8 OS HSM should be faster focusing, but at $620 it would exceed your budget a bit.
- Canon 15-85 IS USM is not an f2.8 lens, but a nice range, wider than most, but it blows your budget, costs about $680 by the time you get the matching lens hood (not included)

If you go with one of the slower standard zooms (18-135, 28-135 or 15-85), you also might want an accessory flash. Canon 430EX II is a nice combination of size, weight, and performance, but adds another $250 to your budget. With an f2.8 standard zoom, you might be able to get by without a flash, or delay getting one for a while. On the other hand, notice that all the f2.8 zooms have a much narrower range of focal lengths than some of the slower zooms.

I'm recommending two 16GB memory cards (60D uses SD, which often is less expensive than CF) instead of one big 32GB card. In fact, I mostly use 8GB cards, which give me close to 300 RAW shots per card with my 7Ds (same 18MP as 60D). IMO, it's better to have mulitple cards, to not put all your eggs in one basket in case a card gets lost, damaged or corrupted somehow.


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Dec 23, 2012 00:36 as a reply to  @ amfoto1's post |  #25

Don't be afraid to buy your body refurbished from Canon, the 60D for $639 pre-tax is a great value. I have shot the spectrum up indoor and outdoor high school sports with it in he year I have owned it--football, baseball, volleyball, wrestling, swimming, soccer, LAX, golf, basketball, softball, cross-country.

B&H's $699 60D + $189 70-300is deal is tremendous. You can resell that lens for over $200 what you pay for it, and you can put that money towards a 2.8 aperture lens you can use at night. A 70-200 2.8 of some sort is great, but the 200 2.8 L is a great value.

Here's a nice budget kit:
-refurbed 60D: $675 (taxed)
-tamron 17-50 2.8(non-vc) $310 (used)
-Canon 85mm 1.8 $320 (used)
-Canon 200 2.8 L $500 (used)
-Meike battery grip $30
-two-pack of sandisk 16gb
SD class 10 45s/mb SS cards. $50

That comes to $1875, leaving you money for a good Loewpro bag, and maybe a 2nd battery if you feel you really need it. That LP-E6 batter will be good for about 1,500 shots, depending on use of live view, flash, movie mode, etc . . .

If you want a great low-light lens, the Sigma 30 1.4 is a champ. I like mine so much I don't bother using my kit zoom anymore. Those run between $310 and $350 used if you really look. With every penny.

I shoot sports about 70% of the time with my 60D and lenses, never with a flash.


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Dec 23, 2012 02:15 |  #26

if you have the money go for the 7D you can probably learn how to use it properly as there's loads of tutorials online and if you read the manual lots you'll learn quicker. Best of luck in your decision.


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