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Is my kit sufficient to start working as a wedding photographer?

 
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Dec 17, 2012 13:59 |  #1

Would a seasoned wedding photographer feel comfortable with the following kit?

Canon EOS Rebel T3i (600D)
EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5
EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS

Canon EOS 5D Mark III
EF 40mm f/2.8
EF 85mm f1.2 L II
EF 100mm f/2.8 L IS

1 x Speedlite 430EX
Phottix Odin TTL Flash Trigger/Receiver Kit

How would you feel shooting a whole wedding with this kit? I realise I need a second flash. Would you feel the 100mm on the 600D crop camera insufficient and want a 70-200mm f2.8 or f4? Would you feel the need for a 35mm or 24mm F/1.4? Is the 600D with a 17-55mm good enough for professionals? Would one greatly prefer the 7D over the 600D?

Basically, what do you think of my kit for wedding photography and what is lacking/needs to be improved/upgraded? I'd be grateful for your thoughts and advice.

My thinking at the moment is adding either a 35mm or 24mm and a 70-200mm (leaning towards the F4 because I can shoot fantastic portraits with the 85mm F1.2 already)


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Dec 17, 2012 15:10 |  #2

I think you need a long range lens like the 70-200. You seem to have up close and mid range covered for now. The 70-200 would allow you to take pictures at a distance without being intrusive, ideal for candid moments.


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Dec 17, 2012 15:12 |  #3

Also, depending on the venue, you might need off camera flashes to light up the place. So you could start looking into into light stands, flashes, diffusers, etc.


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Dec 17, 2012 15:22 |  #4

A second flash, preferably a 580exII or maybe the new 600. Sometimes that extra stop is critical, plus it recycles faster and can take a battery pack.




  
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Dec 17, 2012 15:40 |  #5

CoRNDoG R6 wrote in post #15378082 (external link)
I think you need a long range lens like the 70-200. You seem to have up close and mid range covered for now. The 70-200 would allow you to take pictures at a distance without being intrusive, ideal for candid moments.

Thank you for taking the time to comment. I plan on getting another speedlight. I have a couple of 500w Bowens studio lights and accessories so lighting is sorted (bar a generator/battery pack I guess). I feel comfortable in studios and controlled settings and working with flash but I lack event photography experience and composing shots on the fly. Therefore the flexibility of a second zoom would be very helpful I think.

I see you have the 70-200 F4. How do you find it?


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Dec 17, 2012 15:43 |  #6

The question isn't whether its enough to shoot a wedding, because honestly, you can shoot a wedding with just a body and 50mm lens if you want. The question should really be, am I adequately equipped to provide a PROPER professional service? I would say no. You need more redundancy in your kit, like a second flash for example.


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Dec 17, 2012 16:22 |  #7

picturecrazy wrote in post #15378205 (external link)
The question isn't whether its enough to shoot a wedding, because honestly, you can shoot a wedding with just a body and 50mm lens if you want. The question should really be, am I adequately equipped to provide a PROPER professional service? I would say no. You need more redundancy in your kit, like a second flash for example.

+1 as you can shoot a wedding with one camera and one lens but only IF you're experienced and you have back ups.....and your clients are expecting this style.

A longer zoom would be handy but not essential (I only have up to 200mm with a 70-200 on a full frame).

Dont get a 24mm 1.4 - it's a pretty limited lens if you're just starting out. The 35mm 1.4 is awesome or get the 50mm 1.4....although you have the 40mm 2.8 so maybe save yourself some $$ for now


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Dec 17, 2012 16:43 |  #8

I can say it didn't even dawn on me to ask what gear my wedding photographer used..... His shots spoke for themselves. 7d might be better than the t3i but they're both fine. I'm sure the 5d3 will be your primary.

I do agree that a longer lens would probably be a nice thing. 70-200 IS 2.8 for low light longer shots.


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Dec 17, 2012 17:59 |  #9

picturecrazy wrote in post #15378205 (external link)
The question isn't whether its enough to shoot a wedding, because honestly, you can shoot a wedding with just a body and 50mm lens if you want. The question should really be, am I adequately equipped to provide a PROPER professional service? I would say no. You need more redundancy in your kit, like a second flash for example.

Of course, I think Lloyd hit it on the head.

If we are looking purely at gear, although you are a lot better off than many of the people that come here asking the same question, but I dont think you are QUITE there yet.

In my opinion, you need more redundancy especially in the wide end. If your T3i goes out, you dont have anything wider than a 40. You can even pick up something like a 17-40 and be a lot better off than you are now.

To break it down, what I think you need, in order of importance:
A wider lens for the 5d3 - 24-105, 17-40, something like that. They are priced well (especially used) and would really help round out your gear.
Another flash - I think you can get away with a Yn-560 II or 2 or something as a backup. I have quite a few of them, and shoot manual flash most of the time anyways, and they really work well.
A longer lens - check out some off brand 70-200's. I think f2.8 is really important in these long focal lengths. I always recommend the Tamron for a better priced, image stabilized lens.


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Dec 18, 2012 12:39 |  #10

If I were you i'd get the 24 or 35 1.4 for bride/groom prep shots. A lot of times you need faster than 2.8, although with the 5d3 probably not as much as most people.

Then i'd get the 70-200 2.8. I see what you're saying about f4 being fine because you can use the 85, but where the 70-200 really comes in handy is in churches where you just can't get as close as you want...and in that low light 2.8 is really nice to have.

Then i'd get another flash, either the 580 or 600 if you want to spend the money, or get a cheap yongnuo manual flash as a backup.

Also I only shoot with one camera at at time, so I wouldnt use the t3i unless your 5d3 breaks and you have no choice. Other than that I woudlnt take a single shot with it.


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Dec 18, 2012 16:05 |  #11

I could probably shoot a wedding with that setup, but I would rather have a few more of my tools. The weak point I see is in the flash setup. I have a total of 7 flashes and off camera triggers, and even sometimes, that's not right.


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Dec 18, 2012 16:09 |  #12

davisphotos wrote in post #15382678 (external link)
I could probably shoot a wedding with that setup, but I would rather have a few more of my tools. The weak point I see is in the flash setup. I have a total of 7 flashes and off camera triggers, and even sometimes, that's not right.

Wow that's a lot of flash gear - to the OP you need to find your style / preferences with flash & any other external lighting - some people love it, some dont.

Personally I carry only two canon 580ex speedlights but I prefer to shoot no flash most of the day so only use them if the light is really low, at reception, or we're doing night shots (I use some wireless triggers for off camera).


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Dec 18, 2012 16:38 |  #13

picturecrazy wrote in post #15378205 (external link)
The question isn't whether its enough to shoot a wedding, because honestly, you can shoot a wedding with just a body and 50mm lens if you want. The question should really be, am I adequately equipped to provide a PROPER professional service? I would say no. You need more redundancy in your kit, like a second flash for example.

I agree completely.

First most glaring omission to me is the lack of flashes. I use 4-5 speedlights, one studio light and two video lights at weddings.

I also wouldn't be comfortable using a cheap rebel for all your wide angle shots.

I only use ~3-4 lenses for my weddings for the most part. Always: 35L, 85L & 100L and sometimes a 135L or 300 2.8L depending on the situation.


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Dec 19, 2012 09:24 |  #14

like the others before me have stated, whether you "can" and whether you "should" are two different things. if, as you say, you lack event experience and shooting on the fly without a studio setup, shooting someone's wedding probably isn't the best place to hone that part of your craft to say the very least. second-shoot a bit with your current kit and get comfortable with it first, then you'll know what you need to add. for sure, it's not a bad set of equipment to use, but personally, i would go for a faster wide prime, since your rebel isn't going to hold up as well in low light. a 70-200 would be nice as well, but you should be ok with the 100 unless you're shooting in a huge church.


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Dec 19, 2012 12:19 |  #15

thank you for the replies. I need to get a couple more flashes and get some event photography experience using speedlites.

I see I don't necessarily need anymore lenses at this point in time but need to be, and must be, fully competent using bounced flash and off-camera flash in event settings. I am OK with small flash but have yet to be tested under pressure and in a hurry. I am very fussy about the light in my photographs and I concentrate on how the light is falling and how to manipulate it more than I do on posing and composition. Light is my main priority.

In addition to light and how it falls on the face, I focus on the expression and wait for the moment. I have become much better at directing people how to pose and spotting detracting nuances in real time and had to do this because in my earlier work, I often found flaws that would detract attention away from the subject (e.g awkward stance, deformed looking hands, no neck etc.). With composition, I just follow the rule of thirds and golden ratio principles and look at the main lines in a scene and the subject's relative position. However, I find wide angle shots very hard to compose and am still figuring out what is often the best camera perspective and distance from subject for given situations. Since going full frame with the 85L, I have spent less time with the crop and wide angle lenses and now need to return to them and master them to the same degree as I have done with the 85mm.

From reading through what I have just written, it is clear I need to improve and become fully confident using on-camera flash and wide angle composition. Both of which are vital to wedding photography. More learning and practice to do before I take on paid work. I look forward to the journey ahead!


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