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First EF 24-70 II USM price drop - $2199

 
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Dec 17, 2012 14:21 |  #31

Kronie wrote in post #15377856 (external link)
Cameras are different. Lenses don't drop like that. The best you will hope to see in the next year or two is a few hundred dollars off. Maybe in 5 or 6 years it will settle down to 18 or 1900 hundred dollars. If you can wait that long then more power to you....

I remember seeing posts like this on the 70-200 f/2.8L IS II as well. Of course since you bought one it is wishful thinking but I've seen this play out with Nikon and Canon lenses repeatedly over the last 25 years. If you buy a lens within a year of it being released you can be assured it will sell for less later on down the road when the manufacturer figures they've tapped the well of people willing to pay full list price.


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Dec 17, 2012 14:27 |  #32

Kronie wrote in post #15377856 (external link)
Cameras are different. Lenses don't drop like that. The best you will hope to see in the next year or two is a couple hundred dollars off. Maybe in 5 or 6 years it will settle down to 18 or 1900 hundred dollars. If you can wait that long then more power to you....

I think $1800-1900 is almost guarantied with a year. 70-200L II is $2500 lens and looks very popular. It was available ~$2000 and less than $1900 with cash back,etc... within 1-1.5 years of its release. 24-70 II discounts already started in a few months of its release. And it is ~$250 discount with %2 reward




  
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Dec 17, 2012 14:43 |  #33

mortals !!! its not a question of only lenses but package as a whole - more lenses mean more bodies as well in the long run. Great move by Canon. Price would be 1800/1900 at max over long term - atleast till Sigma offers a better 24-70. The tamron has the is but umm...... not so sharp


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Dec 17, 2012 14:49 |  #34

starkyrulz wrote in post #15377969 (external link)
mortals !!! its not a question of only lenses but package as a whole - more lenses mean more bodies as well in the long run. Great move by Canon. Price would be 1800/1900 at max over long term - atleast till Sigma offers a better 24-70. The tamron has the is but umm...... not so sharp

I stopped following the Tamron 24-70 when I saw numerous reports of loose elements rattling around in the barrel.


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Dec 17, 2012 15:02 |  #35

the tamron per say is not a bad lesn but not the best in class when you bring the new 24-70 into play. Hell even the old canon 24-70 is better wide open than the tamron which comes out to play at 5.6 and beyond.

When I pay a premium for a large aperture lens, I want to shoot open - so unless the sigma has another ace in any new 24-70 with OS (for next year) the prices of the canon 24-70 will not go below 1800/1900.

And the temp price reduction is a bit due to market correction and also to aid the Canon package as a whole - honestly the D600 > 6D and the lens choices is one factor Canon is tryign to woo the new FF customer (upgrading first time) with a better package - not to mention great sales as well over the holiday season.


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Dec 17, 2012 15:11 |  #36

Good luck to Canon with that because the entire system must be a consideration and honestly Canon is nuts with their new pricing, look at those f/2.8 primes with IS, the second version of the IS superteles, and the 24-70/70-200 IS II. Canon is already suffering from slumping sales of their high end lines and the pressure from Nikon should make price corrections imminent.


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Dec 17, 2012 15:20 |  #37

K6AZ wrote in post #15378090 (external link)
Good luck to Canon with that because the entire system must be a consideration and honestly Canon is nuts with their new pricing, look at those f/2.8 primes with IS, the second version of the IS superteles, and the 24-70/70-200 IS II. Canon is already suffering from slumping sales of their high end lines and the pressure from Nikon should make price corrections imminent.

how are you sure? Do you work for Canon or Nikon - open generic statements are very harmful without a source. I work for a company which provides engineering services so I have some intel about certain cos and their pdt roadmaps plus. Yes the Canon prices are high but that's with a lot of new pdt - premium pricing initially and then price correction depending on market.

IF today I was a crop user/new user trying to upgrade to FF my natural tendency would be to go for Nikon because hte D600 is so much better than the 6D but at the same time most folks including die hard nikonians know canon has probably better glass - so with that in mind i might go for the Canon.

Its not so simple but a lot of forces are at play - more lenses sold means more bodies in the long run and vice versa and once you take a side not many change sides frequently so all these price correction (in the mind you are getting premium pdts at a discounted price) helps weigh the buying process somewhat. The market is very complex and generic statements that Canon is dumping stock for a new lens with IS and/or prices will be 1400 for the 24-70 mkII have no weight.


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Dec 17, 2012 15:33 |  #38

starkyrulz wrote in post #15378050 (external link)
the tamron per say is not a bad lesn but not the best in class when you bring the new 24-70 into play. Hell even the old canon 24-70 is better wide open than the tamron which comes out to play at 5.6 and beyond.

When I pay a premium for a large aperture lens, I want to shoot open - so unless the sigma has another ace in any new 24-70 with OS (for next year) the prices of the canon 24-70 will not go below 1800/1900.

And the temp price reduction is a bit due to market correction and also to aid the Canon package as a whole - honestly the D600 > 6D and the lens choices is one factor Canon is tryign to woo the new FF customer (upgrading first time) with a better package - not to mention great sales as well over the holiday season.

where are you finding that the original 24-70L is better than the tamron 24-70?

center to off center, the tamron is better, and the canon beats it on the extreme edges (on charts). IRL, my copy of the 24-70L was noticeably softer everywhere on the frame at any aperture. Not by a super large margin, just noticeable.... not to mention stabilization.... it has none.


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Dec 17, 2012 15:48 |  #39

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Dec 17, 2012 15:53 |  #40

starkyrulz wrote in post #15378117 (external link)
how are you sure? Do you work for Canon or Nikon - open generic statements are very harmful without a source. I work for a company which provides engineering services so I have some intel about certain cos and their pdt roadmaps plus. Yes the Canon prices are high but that's with a lot of new pdt - premium pricing initially and then price correction depending on market.

IF today I was a crop user/new user trying to upgrade to FF my natural tendency would be to go for Nikon because hte D600 is so much better than the 6D but at the same time most folks including die hard nikonians know canon has probably better glass - so with that in mind i might go for the Canon.

Its not so simple but a lot of forces are at play - more lenses sold means more bodies in the long run and vice versa and once you take a side not many change sides frequently so all these price correction (in the mind you are getting premium pdts at a discounted price) helps weigh the buying process somewhat. The market is very complex and generic statements that Canon is dumping stock for a new lens with IS and/or prices will be 1400 for the 24-70 mkII have no weight.

Read their financial statements. Both Canon and Nikon are missing goals in certain segments of the market. Do you really think any of these recent deals from both would be happening if their sales goals were met? Some of this stuff is seriously overpriced and these markdowns are proof of it. I know some would like to think it's out of the goodness of their hearts but the fact is they're missing sales goals. Expect more markdowns in the future if the economy remains stagnant.


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Dec 17, 2012 15:53 |  #41

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where are you finding that the original 24-70L is better than the tamron 24-70?

center to off center, the tamron is better, and the canon beats it on the extreme edges (on charts). IRL, my copy of the 24-70L was noticeably softer everywhere on the frame at any aperture. Not by a super large margin, just noticeable.... not to mention stabilization.... it has none.

there are enough reviews now to show that.

Side by side at largest aperture the canon mk I is better than the tamron in center sharpness at 24, 35, 70mm - at 50 mm almost equal. Edge sharpness Canon is better and at f11-f18 the sigma (if compared is equivalent at 50mm else at all other places and upto f5.6 the canon mkI was sharper.

And if i pay a premium for f/2.8 I would rather shoot at f2.8-4 mostly.


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Dec 17, 2012 16:13 |  #42

K6AZ wrote in post #15377882 (external link)
I remember seeing posts like this on the 70-200 f/2.8L IS II as well. Of course since you bought one it is wishful thinking but I've seen this play out with Nikon and Canon lenses repeatedly over the last 25 years. If you buy a lens within a year of it being released you can be assured it will sell for less later on down the road when the manufacturer figures they've tapped the well of people willing to pay full list price.

Pretty much, yea. If I bought now and not so close to initial release I would have saved 500 between the 24-70 and the 70-200. But I guess owning and using the lenses was worth it for me....your mileage may vary...




  
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Dec 17, 2012 16:33 |  #43

starkyrulz wrote in post #15378253 (external link)
there are enough reviews now to show that.

Side by side at largest aperture the canon mk I is better than the tamron in center sharpness at 24, 35, 70mm - at 50 mm almost equal.

No, there really isn't enough reviews to show that. I have plenty of reviews showing otherwise though.

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http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=0​&APIComp=0 (external link)

What you said about edges is more along the line of what everyone else says.



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Dec 17, 2012 16:43 |  #44

starkyrulz wrote in post #15378253 (external link)
there are enough reviews now to show that.

Side by side at largest aperture the canon mk I is better than the tamron in center sharpness at 24, 35, 70mm - at 50 mm almost equal. Edge sharpness Canon is better and at f11-f18 the sigma (if compared is equivalent at 50mm else at all other places and upto f5.6 the canon mkI was sharper.

And if i pay a premium for f/2.8 I would rather shoot at f2.8-4 mostly.

you've got to be kidding me, you made the claim, so please back it up.

maybe you got bad data? I owned both AT THE SAME time, even did brick wall shots, and that wasnt my finding. you can complain about onion bokeh, and I can confirm that it's a real issue, but vastly overblown.


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Dec 17, 2012 16:55 |  #45

starkyrulz wrote in post #15378253 (external link)
there are enough reviews now to show that.

Side by side at largest aperture the canon mk I is better than the tamron in center sharpness at 24, 35, 70mm - at 50 mm almost equal. Edge sharpness Canon is better and at f11-f18 the sigma (if compared is equivalent at 50mm else at all other places and upto f5.6 the canon mkI was sharper.

And if i pay a premium for f/2.8 I would rather shoot at f2.8-4 mostly.

It looks like you have some very specific review comparison, so please show your "enough review".

I have seen quite a a lot review of both and in most cases, Tamron is sharper than than the Canon mkI. Taking into account copy variations, then lensrental data have to be considered authoritative. Canon mk II is much sharper the Canon mk I and the Tamron is in the middle of the two, in both center and average sharpness.

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