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Dec 19, 2012 22:49 |  #16
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It's really hard to say....APS-C market is getting smaller and smaller due to huge pressures from mirrorless cameras. Canon is trying to catch up with EOS M.

I honestly think mirrorless (NEX, XE-1) is equal if not better than APS-C.

Also the fact that ff is getting cheaper and cheaper meaning people will either go small and compact (which btw gives the same IQ as APS-C, better AF, higher burst and more) or Full frame.

Canon isn't commited to EF-S...just look at the HUGE selection of EF-S lenses (NOT!)


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Dec 20, 2012 06:43 |  #17

TSchrief wrote in post #15384717 (external link)
I've heard this before. I disagree. My 60D, 10-22 and 15-85 did not change at all when I picked up a 5D. There are no APS-c Police who will come and confiscate you EF-s glass if you buy a full-frame model.

And the lenses are very different when mounted on a FF vs. APS-c body. If you just love your 24-105 on your cropper, because you went with all EF glass, when you put it on a FF body it becomes MUCH wider and MUCH shorter. You now need a new lens, just because you switched formats, EVEN THOUGH ALL YOU HAD WAS EF-GLASS!

Buy the lens that does what you need to do.

convergent wrote in post #15388049 (external link)
What are you talking about? You can't mount a Canon EF-S lens on a full frame camera. The lens protrudes into the body and the mirror will physically hit the lens and cause damage. Of course if you keep the crop body you can still use them. That is not what I was talking about, and is pretty obvious.

I think he is saying that on his 60D the EF-S lenses still work great. That one can use both a FF camera and a Crop camera.


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Dec 20, 2012 07:06 |  #18

In my opinion, the best thing to do is buy used from this site or FM. Wait for a really good deal and pull the trigger on what you need. If its an EF-S lens then great. As many have implied, even if things change, it wont obsolete EF-S lenses overnight. Just look at all the FD Lens Mount postings for sale!

If you snag a great lens at a cheap price, you shouldn't have much problem reselling it in the next several years (or several several years)


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Dec 20, 2012 08:33 |  #19

Is the Tokina 12-24 II usable on ff? Usable without the mirror slapping the lens.....


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Dec 20, 2012 08:40 |  #20

Most lenses are over priced anyway. Used or not. Just buy what you need, and can afford. Photography is an expensive hobby.


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Dec 20, 2012 08:46 |  #21

Tokina's lenses targeted for crop cameras are very usable on full frame. I use my 11-16mm 2.8 on my 5D all the time. I'm limited to approx. 14.5mm to 16mm, but that's a nicer range than a 14mm, 15mm or 17mm prime. Previous posts indicate similar FF usage on the Tokina 12/24mm as well. Also, the IQ of the Tokina on my 5D is just as good as it is on my crop cameras.




  
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Dec 20, 2012 09:27 |  #22

So you can't use full range? It will cause slap?


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Dec 20, 2012 09:28 |  #23

So you can't use full range? It will cause slap? Canon should offer adapters.


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Dec 20, 2012 09:56 as a reply to  @ Frodge's post |  #24

My opinion on crop vs. full-frame...

Full frame cameras are great and can produce some wonderful imagery with top-line lenses! However crop cameras are also capable of producing excellent imagery, given that you are using top-line lenses!

IMO, if you are shooting with a crop camera and top-line lenses and are not getting very good to excellent imagery; the fault is with the Indian, not the arrow!

However, if you are shooting with a crop camera and a less than top-line lens (such as the various kit varieties); I would suggest that you try a top line lens with your crop camera.

Then if you are not getting very good to excellent imagery, upgrade your photography skills rather than your gear. Getting a full-frame camera will not cause an epiphany in your imagery. Unless your skills are upgraded, you will still be shooting the same mundane pictures with your new toy as you did with your crop camera.


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Dec 20, 2012 10:29 |  #25

Just a good advise, spend all you can but in good glass, don't waste you time buying cheap gear, you'll regret it later if you do.


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Dec 20, 2012 11:06 |  #26

Not sure what cheap means. I say that with no bad intent. I just bought $500 lens, and that isn't cheap to me.


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Dec 20, 2012 11:29 |  #27

Frodge wrote in post #15384679 (external link)
I currently have a T3i. Have a couple lenses and am getting into photography again. It bought a Tokina 12-24 yesterday. This is an Ef-S lens. My question is pretty simple. I am just starting to understand the difference between different equipment etc. my main question is ef-s vs ef. I know you can't use ef-s on full frame, but is it a bad in investment to buy any ef-s lenses? The last thing I want to do is build up an arsen of lenses and have the aps-c defunct. Will canon produce an adapter to use ef-s with newer formats? Should I return my Tokina for something that will be useable in years to come? I want to be able to buy lenses and build on them and be able to use them on newer bodies as older ones wear out.

A non-glass adapter wouldn't work even if you are willing to live with just the center part of the picture because the EF-S lens needs to be so close to the sensor that there is no space for the big mirror in a full-frame or 1.3x camera.

Myself I don't find it difficult to stay with FF compatible lenses because in many cases they have optical qualities you can't easily get for less money anyway. In particular many of the f/2.8 zooms made for crop invest all the money in the large aperture and run out of money before adding other picture quality relevant goodies.

Plus I see a trend toward, not away from, full-frame cameras.


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Dec 20, 2012 12:14 |  #28

Frodge wrote in post #15389555 (external link)
Not sure what cheap means. I say that with no bad intent. I just bought $500 lens, and that isn't cheap to me.

you do have a point, cheap is not a good way to tell somebody what kind of lens to get, and everybody view things differently.

Just get a lens with a great AF, good build and fast, I prefer primes because you get the a sharper lens and perform better in low light situations.


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Dec 20, 2012 12:17 |  #29

Does it make sense to sell my new T3i and accessories and buy ff? If the trend is away from crop to ff, I dont want to waste any more money.


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Dec 20, 2012 12:30 |  #30

Frodge, you can pick up a 5DII really cheap, it is a great camera, some people do complaint about af performance but with good glass my keeper rate is about 95%, get one. You should be able to get one for around 1,200 with low shutter count.


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