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phoenixvr679
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Dec 20, 2012 22:14 |  #1

I have a T2i. Upgraded my 75-300mm lens to a 135mm f2L and had backfocus issue recently. Returned to vendor after multiple tests with AF lock, tripod test, remote shutter test to confirm the issue. Then I figured there is no micro adjustment in my T2i model.


I would like your inputs on should I improve on my
1) Camera
Or
2) Lens

I love to take pictures of
a) Nature - birds, animals
b) rarely portraits

Iam just starting to learn...I have taken pics of some animals and started to notice I need better reach and good bokeh, sharpness.

I have attached a sample of my work with 75-300 lens and T2i

My budget is 1500$


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Dec 20, 2012 22:17 |  #2

Get a new camera, thats a very easy answer since you have an excellent lens.


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Dec 20, 2012 22:24 |  #3
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Do you feel that you need more reach? If so, 100-400 is your answer.

Do you feel limited by the AF? If so, consider the 7D.

Both samples look noisy, my suggestion is pick your time and day wisely so that you can use lower ISO. However if you want better high ISO performance, a ff body is the only way to go...


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Dec 20, 2012 22:29 as a reply to  @ sgtbueno's post |  #4

Stick to a crop for reach, maybe 60D or T4i. Longer lens, used 100-400 or 400 prime? If not, get a 1.4XTC to add to the 135.

Those are very nice shots, by the way.


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Dec 20, 2012 22:31 |  #5

LV Moose wrote in post #15392029 (external link)
Stick to a crop for reach, maybe 60D or T4i. Longer lens, used 100-400 or 400 prime? If not, get a 1.4XTC to add to the 135.

I was thinking of 400 f5.6L prime...but worried if I run into back or front focus then iam stuck like 135mm lens -which i had to return back. I dont have micro adjustment option in T2i model.

Anyone used 400 f5.6L on T2i ?




  
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Dec 20, 2012 23:05 |  #6

sgtbueno wrote in post #15391992 (external link)
Get a new camera, thats a very easy answer since you have an excellent lens.

Agreed.

LV Moose wrote in post #15392029 (external link)
Stick to a crop for reach, maybe 60D or T4i.

Compared to a T2i, they won't really change anything except maybe slightly nicer AF. Same sensor, and neither has AFMA. The 50D or 7D would be your crop options; with the 50D being the cheaper path. You'd be able to adjust the lens then; though, I'm not sure the 135L would really nail your nature shots. The 200mm f/2.8 would be better, since with tc's it has longer reach. Similar price.




  
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Dec 21, 2012 00:32 |  #7

7d + 100-400


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Dec 21, 2012 00:37 |  #8

phoenixvr679 wrote in post #15392036 (external link)
Anyone used 400 f5.6L on T2i ?

My suggestion would be to do 1 of 2 things

1. Find a "local" (meaning, as close as you are willing to drive) shop that sells the lens. Try several of them and see which one matches your body best. They are all built within a tolerance, just gotta find the one that matches the tolerance of your particular T2i.

2. Send your camera and lens into Canon to be calibrated together.

#1 is the preferred option if you are within an hour or two of a store (as doing online purchasing and swapping it out several times gets old fast and would take forever). #2 might cost you money depending on how old the T2i is, etc




  
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Dec 21, 2012 00:59 |  #9

Any non L, upgraded to L will show a significant increase in IQ of your image.
Also this turns your payment into investment.

Body update, when there is no other chance, is OK but whatever you spend will depreciate fully in no time and if you know the feature your are buying is absolutely needed for your photographic needs, then only you will see the improvements on images.


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Dec 21, 2012 03:54 |  #10

Seems like you like to shoot wildlife. I think the T2i is sufficient. There's this whole argument on lens over body, and I suggest get good lenses first. 100-400L, 400 f/5.6L, 300 f/4L, 70-200 f/2.8 IS (mark I), 70-200 f/4L (lighter and cheaper but you probably want f/2.8).

In regard to your 135L having focusing issues, is it under warranty? You will have to send the lens + body to have them calibrated by Canon. The only thing I see that's good with buying a new body is getting manual adjustment for your 135L. If you don't have warranty, well it will cost quite a bit to have them do the labor for you, in which case I either recommend selling the 135L for another one or spending some of your money on upgrading to a new body. If you really need that MA then sell your old body and get a nice used APS-C sensor body for cheap. For example, the 400mm f/5.6 might be around $1000 used. This leaves you with $500 for a cheap APS-C body upgrade (like a 50D).


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Dec 21, 2012 05:55 |  #11

(Second hand) 50D is still a decent camera, and is now by far the cheapest body with focus MA feature.

I had a similar dilemma - a Rebel body (XS), without MA, and a couple of nice lenses with back/front focusing (135L one of them). I ended up upgrading to a second hand 50D just for the MA feature, but I discovered it is a great camera overall, so never regretted the purchase. If I ever upgrade the camera, it will be FF.

But I don't think 135L is a proper lens for nature. (It is great for outdoor portraits though.) You probably want something with more reach, and zoom (so you can frame your shots nicely). The lens I just got (70-200 f4L non-IS) can be found under 500$ second hand, and I think will be much more suitable for your purposes. Another interesting and affordable option would be Tamron 70-200 f2.8 non-VC - from what I've seen it has great IQ; the only drawback is a relatively slow AF.


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Dec 21, 2012 06:59 |  #12

Don't worry about back or front focus. I think that 99% of the time people think they have issues it's user error. A 400 5.6 has a small enough max aperture that your focus area won't be tiny like a 135L so it won't be a problem.

I say go for your long lens if you love taking pictures of birds. You can always upgrade your body to a 50D for next to nothing.




  
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Dec 21, 2012 13:49 as a reply to  @ King of Canada's post |  #13

looking at 400mm f5.6 L around 1K
I have narrowed down to 5D MkII 1.5K
its a cross road
I have to try in a shop near my place for the 400 on my T2i if I like the IQ.
Thanks all for the great responses




  
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Dec 21, 2012 14:19 |  #14

phoenixvr679 wrote in post #15394167 (external link)
looking at 400mm f5.6 L around 1K
I have narrowed down to 5D MkII 1.5K
its a cross road
I have to try in a shop near my place for the 400 on my T2i if I like the IQ.
Thanks all for the great responses

You could do a 50D and 400 5.6 for about $1500 total. That would get you MA.

If you go the FF route, keep in mind that you would have relatively less reach with your existing lens so you'd need to get a longer lens or a TC if you like your current reach.


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Dec 21, 2012 14:36 |  #15

SoCalTiger wrote in post #15394245 (external link)
You could do a 50D and 400 5.6 for about $1500 total. That would get you MA.

If you go the FF route, keep in mind that you would have relatively less reach with your existing lens so you'd need to get a longer lens or a TC if you like your current reach.

Thanks. I just called up local super camera store. They do have a piece 400mm f5.6L and they agreed to let me try a used one not a new one...lets me wonder if I have to send to vendor if FF or BF issue pops up on new boxed lens-hopefully not.

The image below is taken with my 75-300 on a full moon with T2i and cropped, tripod, remote trigger. hopefully, I get some good pics with 400mm+T2i. Looks like amazon does not have the 1.4x mkii TC instock.


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