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Dec 23, 2012 08:23 |  #1

I know this is probably the most talked about discussion here, but I am twisted up about it. I recently moved from the 7D to the 5DmkIII. I have sold my 10-22mm and replaced it with the 17-40. Now, I am having issues with what will replace my old Sigma 17-50 f2.8 OS. I have all my ranges covered for now, so I am not in a big hurry, but my Sig was one of my most used lens because I do a lot with strobes. I didn't need prime speed and I liked the range in these situations. Outside of that, I like a standard zoom as a walk around in non-low-light.

So, I am itching to get a standard zoom, but I am torn:

Canon 24-105 f4 IS - At 750 street price around here (white boxes), this would be perfect for my stobist needs and good for video. With the 5D3's high ISO capabilities, it can suit me for most occasions. I am just wondering if I will regret not getting a 2.8 lens now that I am FF. I would like to feel like I am taking a step forward and not laterally.

Canon 24-70 f2.8 II - I do not make my money off of photography, but I am in a potion that I can afford this lens if I really want it. I would love the sharpness of this lens. My big issue with this lens is the lack of IS for this price. When I am shooting my kids, I like to get video every so often. The IS would be awesome for that.

Tamron 24-70 f2.8 VC - This one seems like a perfect fit for me. It is sharp enough for my needs and has VC. I would get this lens in a heartbeat, but it is still selling for MSRP. Because I am not a pro, I always justify lens purchases because of their resale value. If I buy a new lens, it is because I know I will own that lens for a LONG time, or if the resale value will hold.

Am I crazy about the MSPR thing on the Tamron? Will this lens become cheaper anytime in the near future? I am willing to wait a few months, but I would love to hear your thoughts on which one you would go with in my situation.

Thanks, guys!


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Dec 23, 2012 08:44 |  #2

Tough call!

I would love to get the Canon 24-70II, but to me (I also don't make money off this) it is crazy expensive and has no IS.

I like the range of the 24-105mm IS, but it is f/4.

The Tamron seems expensive too, but I think it is what I will probably go with (if I can justify new CP and ND at 82mm). I too wonder if the price will come down.

I am going to wait and mull things over, but I have a Sigma 24-60mm f/2.8 to hold me over. My Sigma is a very nice lens and the price was excellent new (they are discontinued now). I just would like IS on that range. I know IS isn't necessary, but it would be nice as I am getting older (so it would help).

My other though would be to get the 24-105L for IS, since I can use the Sigma at f/2.8 where needed/appropriate. It just seems dumb to me if I carried both.

Unfortunately you kind of need something now. I doubt I helped but maybe some of my thoughts might help you. Good luck! Let us know what you decide!


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Dec 23, 2012 08:44 |  #3

I don't make any money off of this either... and I'm glad I got the 24-70 II... it's really just an amazing piece of glass.... if you're in the position where you can pick one up comfortably, I'd do it.


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Dec 23, 2012 08:45 |  #4

Almost the same situation here: added a 5DIII after using a 40D for years. I'd like to upgrade from my EF 28-135, and have been looking at the offerings in the 24-70 range (I already have a 70-200, and the 24-105 looks to be somewhat soft on the lower end, with some distortion). I'm awaiting reviews on the Canon 24-70 f/4L IS.

But at the same time, I'm considering spending the money on the new Sigma 35 f/1.4, puting the 24-70 on the back burner, and keeping the 28-135 as my general-use lens until more funds are available.


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Dec 23, 2012 08:48 |  #5

The new Sigma 35 is very nice also Moose... but for versatility, I'll grab the 24-70 II out of the bag.


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Dec 23, 2012 08:54 |  #6

People got the perception that third party lenses don't hold resale value. But I think the right perception should be excellent lens with right price will hold resale value. I don't see third or first party matters that much nowadays or into the future.

The case in point is that the Tamron 24-70 VC has been introduced since April and has not yet got a cent discount so far, even in the holiday season. The Canon 24-70 has just been sold 2 month ago and now you already got 200$ of starting price. Resale price of a used the tamron has been also very high at about 1100$ in Fmiranda.

I suspect the same thing will happen with the Sigma 35 1.4. That one will hold resale value very well, and in the case Sigma want to up its price 100-200$, you might even see the price appreciate.

So i clearly see that Tamron is a better value than Canon. In your case, it is better to wait for a sale because you don't need one immediately, but it could be 4 months or it could be a year. When the Nikon and Canon still sell at such a high premium and without IS I don't see the incentive for Tamron reducing the price, and even in the case the rebate might not be much, perhaps 50$ or 100$. Do you really want to wait 1 year for lens because 100$ discount ? if it is yes, then you don't want the lens as much as you think.


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Dec 23, 2012 08:54 |  #7

Man... This would have been a much easier call if Canon added IS to the 24-70. I hear they are next year, but I bet that lens will be $3K at least. I don't get how they can charge that much for a standard zoom when the - much more perfect - 70-200 f2.8 IS II is $2,000 new.


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Dec 23, 2012 08:59 |  #8

vaflower wrote in post #15399426 (external link)
People got the perception that third party lenses don't hold resale value. But I think the right perception should be excellent lens with right price will hold resale value. I don't see third or first party matters that much nowadays or into the future.

I think this is the perception of pros and not the great unwashed. Unfortunately, the great unwashed is what drives the price.

I just sold my Canon 10-22 and my Sigma 17-50. As soon as I posted these on CraigsList, I got a lot of interest and an immediate buyer for the 10-22 and I got very close to my asking price (I lost 30 bucks on the lens I have owned for 2 years and bought used). The Sigma took much longer to sell and I had to come down in my price. I only had one taker in the 2 weeks it was up.

I am not brand biased, but I do think the Canon badge helps with resale over the Tamron one.


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Dec 23, 2012 09:01 |  #9

va_rider wrote in post #15399410 (external link)
The new Sigma 35 is very nice also Moose... but for versatility, I'll grab the 24-70 II out of the bag.

The 24-70 II is $2,299... and I really like lenses with IS ;)


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Dec 23, 2012 09:04 |  #10

Honestly, why do you want room versatility ? I may understand the need to shoot fast if you are a professional in a complex situation. But when you are not, what versatility is for.

In most case, primes will do fine with deliberate shootings. My Canon 24 2.8 + Canon 40 2.8 pancake + Sigma 70 2.8 altogether is about the same weight as the Canon 24-70 mkII. They are easier to carry. The picture quality is similar, price is way cheaper.

I actually bought the Tamron a week ago but decided to return and go primes.


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Dec 23, 2012 09:18 |  #11

The only lens which was holding its resale value for me was ... 50 1.8 II. No, second one was Zuiko 50 1.4. They were both purchased for 100$ and sold for about the same.
I used new and sold almost as new 35f2, 100f2 and Tamron 90 2.8. Have to sell them significantly less. Nobody wanted them.
I like Tamron 28-75 2.8. I don't care how it holds its value, I have it new with six years warranty.
Every time I use it I'm happy with results.
Thinking of selling 17-40L instead, I hope L holds its value little bit better compare to non-L Canon glass.


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Dec 23, 2012 09:20 |  #12

well part of that may be that the 35 f/2, 100 f/2 and Tamron 90 aren't very popular lenses....


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Dec 23, 2012 09:22 as a reply to  @ kf095's post |  #13

Personally, I don't consider resale value. I just want the best quality-to-price ratio, which is going to be "different strokes for different folks." :)


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Dec 23, 2012 09:23 |  #14

LV Moose wrote in post #15399400 (external link)
But at the same time, I'm considering spending the money on the new Sigma 35 f/1.4, puting the 24-70 on the back burner, and keeping the 28-135 as my general-use lens until more funds are available.

This is pretty much what I've decided to do myself. Except that I'd be putting the 24-105 on back burner, because I don't want a 24-70 :)

I figure I'll have 2-3 primes for walk around, 35 1.4 and my nifty (and sometimes the samyang 14 2.8), and if I do feel I need more versatility, then I'll consider adding the 24-105.

I'm betting the Tamron will drop in price eventually, or if you keep an eye out, you'll find a used one. If that is the right lens for you (by the sound of things it is), then wait and jump when you get the chance. Don't spend double the price on a lens that is missing a feature that you want, and don't spend money on a lens that you'll feel was a mistake.


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Dec 23, 2012 09:24 |  #15

kf095 wrote in post #15399479 (external link)
The only lens which was holding its resale value for me was ... 50 1.8 II. No, second one was Zuiko 50 1.4. They were both purchased for 100$ and sold for about the same.
I used new and sold almost as new 35f2, 100f2 and Tamron 90 2.8. Have to sell them significantly less. Nobody wanted them.

I've had better luck with selling lenses. I sold my Canon 10-22 and 70-200 f4 IS lenses and only lost $30 and $75 dollars on each. I think that is because they are more popular zooms. I have tried to sell 28mm a few times, but I never got any takers on it through CraigsList. i decided to keep it though It has more "life" on my 5D3.

The Sigma did not sell as well and it was a standard zoom.

I could be wrong - and side tracking - but that is what I have seen with resale. That said, there is no used market for the Tammy 24-70 yet. It might make my decision easier if there was.


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