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Dec 23, 2012 09:32 |  #16

Roroco wrote in post #15399492 (external link)
I've had better luck with selling lenses. I sold my Canon 10-22 and 70-200 f4 IS lenses and only lost $30 and $75 dollars on each. I think that is because they are more popular zooms. I have tried to sell 28mm a few times, but I never got any takers on it through CraigsList. i decided to keep it though It has more "life" on my 5D3.

The Sigma did not sell as well and it was a standard zoom.

I could be wrong - and side tracking - but that is what I have seen with resale. That said, there is no used market for the Tammy 24-70 yet. It might make my decision easier if there was.

Go to Fmiranda for used market. There are a ton of used Tamon 24-70.


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Dec 23, 2012 10:23 |  #17

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People got the perception that third party lenses don't hold resale value. But I think the right perception should be excellent lens with right price will hold resale value. I don't see third or first party matters that much nowadays or into the future.

The case in point is that the Tamron 24-70 VC has been introduced since April and has not yet got a cent discount so far, even in the holiday season. The Canon 24-70 has just been sold 2 month ago and now you already got 200$ of starting price. Resale price of a used the tamron has been also very high at about 1100$ in Fmiranda.

I suspect the same thing will happen with the Sigma 35 1.4. That one will hold resale value very well, and in the case Sigma want to up its price 100-200$, you might even see the price appreciate.

So i clearly see that Tamron is a better value than Canon. In your case, it is better to wait for a sale because you don't need one immediately, but it could be 4 months or it could be a year. When the Nikon and Canon still sell at such a high premium and without IS I don't see the incentive for Tamron reducing the price, and even in the case the rebate might not be much, perhaps 50$ or 100$. Do you really want to wait 1 year for lens because 100$ discount ? if it is yes, then you don't want the lens as much as you think.

For me it is more about need, than want. I don't really need it, I just want it. (But there are other things I want too, and may need/want them more.)

It is no problem for me to wait, but my missing range is only 61-69mm. The OP has 41-69mm to cover with only the 50mm in the middle, though I think that could work.


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Dec 23, 2012 11:05 as a reply to  @ jimewall's post |  #18

I find my 17-50 on my 7D too short a lot and is why I also have a 24-105. The thought of going down to just 24-70 on full frame seems very limiting for my style so I would go with the 24-105 if I had to pick one.


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Dec 23, 2012 11:28 |  #19

Roroco wrote in post #15399492 (external link)
I've had better luck with selling lenses. I sold my Canon 10-22 and 70-200 f4 IS lenses and only lost $30 and $75 dollars on each. I think that is because they are more popular zooms. I have tried to sell 28mm a few times, but I never got any takers on it through CraigsList. i decided to keep it though It has more "life" on my 5D3.

The Sigma did not sell as well and it was a standard zoom.

I could be wrong - and side tracking - but that is what I have seen with resale. That said, there is no used market for the Tammy 24-70 yet. It might make my decision easier if there was.

I don't know... I just checked 17-40L. Looks like nobody wants them here for 650. With price of new for 740 in the USA.


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Dec 23, 2012 11:29 |  #20

There also is the Canon 28-70 f/2.8. Essentially a 24-70 out of service and much cheaper.


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Dec 23, 2012 12:08 |  #21

I was just in the same boat and decided on the Tamron. I would LOVE to have the 24-70 II, especially since I'm letting go of my beloved 35L, but the VC in the Tamron was the deciding factor for me. I really hope I get a good copy of the lens because the Canon is beckoning. One worry I have with the Tamron is the AF speed. The canon sounds very fast in this regard, with the Tamron lagging pretty far behind. If the lens isn't as fast as my 35L, it may not stay.

I'm personally planning to hold on to this lens for a very long time, especially since it will be permanently mounted on the 5D2 my wife is adopting. Thus, resale value isn't much of a worry.


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Dec 23, 2012 12:57 |  #22

OP,

Get the 24-70/2.8 II... there is little need for IS when you are using no longer than 70mm focal length and your camera can shoot ISO 12800 and 25600 pretty cleanly.

If the price stops you, pick up a used/close-out 24-70/2.8 "I"... it's still an excellent lens.


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Dec 23, 2012 16:03 |  #23

I love the versatility of the 24-105L on the 5D3 for a general purpose walk around lens. I find that f/4 is sufficient the vast majority of the time. When I anticipate needing extra speed, I use my prime lenses.


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Dec 23, 2012 16:16 |  #24

Roroco wrote in post #15399335 (external link)
Someone else in the Full Frame standard zoom funk...

Yes, I am.
For what I shoot, my 24-105 is GREAT on my 1.6 crop 50D. Most of the images I shoot with it on this body are from 35mm to 105mm (which works out to a full frame equivalent of roughly 56mm to 168mm).
Unfortunately, the 50D does not handle higher ISOs nearly as well as my 5Dclassic.
So, I really need to use the 24-105 on the 5Dc to get the best image quality - but then, the field of view is not anywhere near what works for me. I only get half of the 56mm-168mm FOV that I need to shoot my subjects effectively.
Sadly, there does not seem to be any zoom lens that will give me the full range of focal lengths that I need. I had a 70-200, but it didn't work for me at all, as 70mm is so often just too tight, even on a full frame.
Sigma makes what could be the "perfect zoom" - their 50-150mm f2.8 But - and you knew there'd be a "but" - it only works on crop bodies.
So, there seems to be no high-quality zoom lens that will really fit my needs when using a full frame body.
What a bummer:(


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Dec 23, 2012 16:19 |  #25

Tom, what do you shoot with the 50d+24-105 most of the time? Is it some sort of wildlife?


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Dec 23, 2012 16:34 |  #26

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Tom, what do you shoot with the 50d+24-105 most of the time? Is it some sort of wildlife?

Yes. Primarily, Whitetail Deer, Elk, Bighorn Sheep, and Mountain Goats that are cooperative, and allow humans to approach to within several yards.
The 24-105 is absolutely perfect on the 1.6 crop - I never seem to need to go any wider, and seldom want to go any tighter in these situations. I really wish there was something similar for the full frame bodies - preferably in a 2.8 aperture.
Attached is the type of image I usually take with the short lens:
50D, taken @ 47mm

A 50mm - 150mm would make many more of these types of images possible. Or even a 35-135 L with IS.


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Dec 23, 2012 16:39 |  #27

The Tamron comes with 6 year warranty, which to me really helps justify the price of an already great lens. It's between 24-70L mk1 and mk2 performance, with a price closer to the mk1 plus IS.


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Dec 23, 2012 16:43 |  #28

Tom Reichner wrote in post #15400806 (external link)
Yes. Primarily, Whitetail Deer, Elk, Bighorn Sheep, and Mountain Goats that are cooperative, and allow humans to approach to within several yards.
The 24-105 is absolutely perfect on the 1.6 crop - I never seem to need to go any wider, and seldom want to go any tighter in these situations. I really wish there was something similar for the full frame bodies - preferably in a 2.8 aperture.
Attached is the type of image I usually take with the short lens:
50D, taken @ 47mm

A 50mm - 150mm would make many more of these types of images possible. Or even a 35-135 L with IS.

Wow, Tom, that is amazing. Most of us wouldn't consider a 24-105L long enough for wildlife. You are fortunate to be somewhere where you can get that close. I'm jealous.


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Dec 23, 2012 16:48 |  #29

Thanks, guys. This is helping. I am still leaning waiting and getting the Tammy, but man the itch for a lens - right now - is strong.


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Dec 23, 2012 18:27 |  #30

I am a weak.... weak man. I noticed DigitalRev has the Tammy for $1,129 with free shipping and no taxes. That is a bit easier to swallow. THANKS EVERYONE.

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Next I have to decide if my 50mm and 28mm get traded in for the new Sigma 35.


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