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Who's dumped the PW for Canon's new wireless + 600Ex-RT's?

 
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Dec 27, 2012 00:27 |  #46

curious if there is any feature gained by going 600ex system discussed here verses the two 568ex, two 460,and the 4 622's yongnuo stuff i just picked up?


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Dec 27, 2012 23:36 |  #47

Main additional benefit is the A-E Gr mode capability with each group being in any of the firing modes.
The 622 with appropriate speedlites is a great alternative for those with non-2012 cameras and/or earlier than 600EX-RT speedlites.

It is definitely better than the Canon optical triggering option.


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Dec 29, 2012 00:57 as a reply to  @ dmward's post |  #48

Yeah, its really manual on all with basic triggers, ETTL optical, PW or the new canon methods to decide on.

Since I have money tied up in PW's for now; I'll stay with it, a year or two from now; probably move over. I hope by then Sekonic can lic. the packet traffic and make a 478DR for Canon


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Dec 29, 2012 08:58 |  #49

Ron Hu wrote in post #15418978 (external link)
Yeah, its really manual on all with basic triggers, ETTL optical, PW or the new canon methods to decide on.

Since I have money tied up in PW's for now; I'll stay with it, a year or two from now; probably move over. I hope by then Sekonic can lic. the packet traffic and make a 478DR for Canon

Reverse engineering radio signaling protocols is doable. I doubt that Canon will license the protocol.

I expect that some of the Chinese companies will have 600EX-RT clones at some point. I doubt that sekonic will spend much time trying to implement the signaling. Most of the 600EX-RT benefit is with ETTL involved which leaves a hand held light meter in the bag. :-)


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Jan 01, 2013 03:59 as a reply to  @ dmward's post |  #50

Had fun the other day with the new sekonic+pw; dialed in my strobes from center point with the balance I wanted, the on miniTT5+camera. Shot away... No more adjusting/chimping.

I haven't or don't think you can do ratio's on A:B w/o it and FEC on the camera. So it worked as its supposed to I believe.


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Jan 01, 2013 12:17 |  #51

dmward wrote in post #15419650 (external link)
Reverse engineering radio signaling protocols is doable. I doubt that Canon will license the protocol.

I doubt that sekonic will spend much time trying to implement the signaling.

I contacted Sekonic and they said no. They are in bed with PW.


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Jan 02, 2013 06:55 |  #52

Numenorean wrote in post #15351650 (external link)
I don't see the upside since I can't use the 600 to control AB's.

You can control your ABs if you shoot the 600s in manual. You still have a lot of benefit in controlling the 600s, and the ABs can be triggered optically. You can't control them if firing the 600s with ETTL because the preflash would prematurely trigger the ABs.

I didn't see this video mentioned so highly recommend it if you want a good overview of the 600s from the master - Syl Arena

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Jan 02, 2013 20:25 |  #53

Late to the game but sold all of my 580 EXII's and the PW system.

I am finding that the (3) 600's are letting me get back to creating images again and not have to watch to make sure my lights are firing as when using the PW's.

Would I do it again - YES. They are that good.IMO


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Jan 03, 2013 04:11 |  #54

so worth it. i did it :)


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Jan 03, 2013 07:00 |  #55

my four 600EX-RT should be here tomorrow. :)

selling my 580EX2 and FlexTT5




  
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Jan 03, 2013 20:30 |  #56

Ron Hu wrote in post #15356644 (external link)
and using FEC even with the latest albeit beta 6.153. I am seeing inconsistent power levels being sent to them.

Firmware 6.200 is out for 5D3.

On another note, does anybody know how well the PW flex, mini work on the 600EX-RT?

I have too much money invested in my pocketwizard and I wouldn't get much if I was to sell them. Besides they work great on my alienbees with power tracking as well.

I know that the 580EXII doesn't work too well with the flex, and mini, but how's the 600s? Yay or Nah? Thanks!




  
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Jan 03, 2013 20:32 |  #57

What are the Mini and flex going for now? I think I am going to sell my Mini TT1 and 3 Flex tt5 units. Looks like about $850 or so new. Used pricing for that set ? Maybe $750 or $700?


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Jan 04, 2013 02:39 |  #58

I updated to 6.2 not to long after it came out. They worked great on the 5D3 and my PW+AC9, and as I said before, PW based Light meter.. which was still a kick in the pants easy.

kouasupra wrote in post #15441535 (external link)
Firmware 6.200 is out for 5D3.

On another note, does anybody know how well the PW flex, mini work on the 600EX-RT?

I have too much money invested in my pocketwizard and I wouldn't get much if I was to sell them. Besides they work great on my alienbees with power tracking as well.

I know that the 580EXII doesn't work too well with the flex, and mini, but how's the 600s? Yay or Nah? Thanks!


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Jan 04, 2013 02:40 as a reply to  @ Ron Hu's post |  #59

I wonder if Canon has starting watching this thread to count the number of converts and the not-so-much ones.

If Sekonic is in bed with PW, who else is as popular that Canon could work with for a similar product?


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Jan 04, 2013 04:57 |  #60

I doubt there will ever be a flash meter with direct canon triggering.

Until I started working with fully manual flash there was little point in buying a flash meter. Afterall, what would be the sense of using a flash meter with e-TTL???

Also, canon and PW work in different frequency bands.

None of this means a flash meter with canon triggering couldn't be possible, but where would be the market to ensure a return on investment?

As an aside, and a testiment to the productivity of the sekonic /PW flash triggering system; when used with my elinchrom studio flashes and PW triggers the sekonic PW flash meter is invaluable.




  
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