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Move to FF: Lens purchase/upgrade scenario make sense?

 
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Jan 02, 2013 10:11 |  #1

I currently have a t3i with
Tokina 11-16
Canon 24-105, 55-250 EF-S
(Misc EF primes in same range)


On FF migration, I'll still have 24-105, but for FOV conversion..

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Old Crop(in 35mm aspect): 17.6-25.6, 38.4->168
New FF: 16, 24-105

I know I am missing on the long end; but I have found I rarely use my 55-250; I'll probably leave it attached to my 1.6 crop moving forward whenever I need more reach (only coming off when I need bigger DOF for macro)

Depending how well the Tokina does on FF (Can use @ 16mm I believe, but will know sharpness/etc when I try), I plan on buying a Samyang 14mm to use until the mythical Canon 14-24 comes out. (and maybe pick up a 50 f/1.4 or 85 f/1.8 now that I can MFA)

Anything else I should be considering? Camera gets here tomorrow hopefully.


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Jan 02, 2013 10:28 |  #2

Actually I think if you throw a Kenko/Tamron/?Sigma?1.​4X TC on your 11-16mm, it should work the entire range with little to no vignetting. It would still be an UWA lens of about 15-22mm f/4.0 with decent quality that still has AF.

This could hold you over at the wide end until you can afford a more appropriate lens designed for a FF sensor.


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Jan 02, 2013 12:05 |  #3

jimewall wrote in post #15434819 (external link)
Actually I think if you throw a Kenko/Tamron/?Sigma?1.​4X TC on your 11-16mm, it should work the entire range with little to no vignetting. It would still be an UWA lens of about 15-22mm f/4.0 with decent quality that still has AF.

This could hold you over at the wide end until you can afford a more appropriate lens designed for a FF sensor.

Oooh.. I didn't know that, I'll have to look into it. The Tokina *is* my favorite lens; and I was dreading losing f/2.8 on the wide end (wonderful @ museums and the like) but I like the added versatility. I'd consider a 17-40L or 16-35L; but the corner comparison to the Nikon 12-24 (and Canons long rumored 12-24 f/2.8) have me waiting before a big purchase...


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Jan 02, 2013 12:36 |  #4

I would consider selling/trading your 11-16 for a 17-40L. Phenomenal lens..especially when it comes to bang for buck.


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Jan 02, 2013 13:46 |  #5

w0m wrote in post #15435202 (external link)
Oooh.. I didn't know that, I'll have to look into it. The Tokina *is* my favorite lens; and I was dreading losing f/2.8 on the wide end (wonderful @ museums and the like) but I like the added versatility. I'd consider a 17-40L or 16-35L; but the corner comparison to the Nikon 12-24 (and Canons long rumored 12-24 f/2.8) have me waiting before a big purchase...


You would still lose the f/2.8, the 1.4X adds a stop (it will be an f/4.0). Though on a full frame the f/4.0 will still almost seem like an f/2.8.

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I would consider selling/trading your 11-16 for a 17-40L. Phenomenal lens..especially when it comes to bang for buck.

I agree for a full frame the 17-40L is an awesome bang for a buck and a better lens on a FF camera than the 11-16+1.4X - that is why I got it. My suggestion is sort of as a temporary fix until a better (for FF) can be purchased.

I say "sort of" because that is what I was going to do. Get a 16-35L or 17-40L, then get rid of my Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6. When I got the 17-40L, I realized that sometimes shoot with two cameras and one is a crop, so I decided to keep the 10-20. But there was more.

Keep in mind on a FF with a 1.4Xit is a 14-28mm. The 14-16mm range is noticeably much wider than my 17-40L. I don't shoot that wide that often, so for right now it suffices for me. It also still auto-focuses. It has a little bit if vignetting at the native 10-11(12?)mm settings but I think it could be fixed post. I just pick a composition that minimizes the need to worry about cleaning it up.

For the OP the 11-16 with a 1.4X will still be wider than even a 16-35L as 15-22mm. And even though that is only 1mm, at that wide of an end 1mm makes a difference.

It also is worth saying that the effective focal length (I prefer the wording FOV) of my 10-20 with the 1.4X on FF (14-28mm) is wider than the effective FOV on the 10-20 alone on a crop (16-32mm).

Just some "food for thought."


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Jan 02, 2013 16:53 as a reply to  @ jimewall's post |  #6

Good post. After some thought, I think i'm back to buying nothing now; and if I need more than the 15-16mm of my Tokina(has ef-s dot, but mounts as ef); pick up the Samyang 14mm (Selling the Tokina, should make money on the sidestep)

What I want more than anything out of an UWA is sharpness for a sprawling landscapes; exactly what a teleconverter hurts.

I'll still be waiting for Canons 12-24 to come out; and will have time to replenish my 'toy' account in the interim..


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Jan 02, 2013 18:25 |  #7

there's no point in adding a 1.4TC to the 11-16mm...it'll allow you to use it at 11mm, but you'd be at 15.4mm anyways...the lens works at 15/16mm without a TC...so you're just adding more to the mix to gain nothing...

you should be able to easily sell your 11-16mm, you could look at a tokina 16-28mm...

sell your 55-250IS, and pick up a tamron 70-300VC for cheap


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Jan 02, 2013 22:10 |  #8

I still have my Tokina 11-16, tried it on full frame for one nightlife event and noticed that the image quality wasn't as good in post even if I just used as if it was a 16mm prime. (Cant even use it at 15mm on 5D mark III because i start to see black corners already) I love my Tokina and just can't sell it, great distortion control and IQ at 11mm compared to the Canon 10-22 I sold for it and it's a good enough reason to keep a crop body around if you can afford it. Well, I do have a great super sharp copy as well and that's the best reason for keeping it anyway :)


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