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Jan 06, 2013 05:46 |  #16

Sirrith wrote in post #15450958 (external link)
28 2.8 IS?

Not really seeing anyone buy this left and right. Nor its wider cousin the 24 2.8 IS. Nor even the 35 2 IS for that matter. There don't even seem to be any sample picture threads started in the samples forum. Though they haven't been out for a year yet, there have been no price drops and no one seems to be saying holy ****, its worth it.

Indeed, the 24mm and 28mm 2.8 IS could be worth it if they were at least as good - or better than the 24-70II, but they are not.
Perhaps they will develop a certain following with videographers, but to me those lenses are a missed opportunity. Had they been f/2 and with a proper short MFD, they could have been a very good alternative to some of the L primes or a good upgrade to the 28mm f/1.8, but at f/2.8, even with IS, it doesn't really add much.


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Jan 06, 2013 06:12 |  #17

HyperYagami wrote in post #15450576 (external link)
Please name one, JUST ONE, Canon lens that wasn't:

1) People bitched and moaned about the MSRP,
2) People were still buying it left and right, despite the complaints,
3) Price dropped within a year or less,
4) And people concluded "holy s***, it's worth it"

The 50mm f/1.8!?!


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Jan 06, 2013 06:20 as a reply to  @ jimewall's post |  #18

Also sort of with the 40mm f/2.8.


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Jan 06, 2013 06:28 |  #19

Does this mean the canon will abandon the 24-105/f4 IS in the future? I have the it and it's my standard go to lens. Like others have states I don't need the 2.8, my primes cover that for me.


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Jan 06, 2013 07:53 |  #20

kobeson wrote in post #15450329 (external link)
Lensrentals' initial test have it far ahead of the 24-105L, and in-between the Tamron and the Canon mk II - wouldn't call it indifferent. Once it drops to the same price as the Tamron, Canon's strategy will seem clever:

1. Bring out the best lens possible in the 24-70 zoom range, and charge $2K+ for it.

2. Tempt those who want the Tamron to consider the Canon 24-70 f4 by making it smaller, lighter, superior in all ways apart from aperture, and (once it drops in price) just as affordable.

I know I would be choosing the f4 over the Tamron because I don't need f2.8 in a zoom range my primes cover. Sure there will still be a market for the Tamron, but with better image quality and less distortion (very pleasing) than the Tamron, I think the f4 has a nice place in the market.

I am corrected on the precise resolution levels - though in the commentary the difference between the 24-70 f4 and Tammy was described "its about the same."

What this shows to me is the 2.8 II is the monster in the class - why is it that the f4 can't reach the same levels of the 2.8? I am not so interested in the macro capabilities. Was really hoping that the f4 would be able to out resolve the 2.8 as the glass diameter is so much shorter more precision could have been achieved.

As to 2.8 vs 4.0 - it seems to be worth roughly a grand in the other lens that have 2.8 & f4 versions.

And there is doubt that I am less than thrilled w/ my 24-105, and am looking at the 24-70, I was hoping to be debating a higher resolution f4 vs the faster 2.8. Such is not the case - ergo most likely will end up w/ the 2.8.


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Jan 06, 2013 12:06 |  #21

There's an argument for that lens in in that it's a decent walkabout and has a reasonable macro mode. I'm on the fence with it primarily because I would like a decent macro lens, am thinking of the 100/L for that purpose, and now here's this which for another $500 gets me a decent general-purpose zoom and does 80% of what the 100/L does.

But..... it's not that easy, because the 100/L has the wider aperture and thus has uses in available light shooting where the 24-70 f/4 does not. And no, I'm not buying both as I have the range covered already with a 24-105 which (when properly micro-adjusted) produces very nice images.

If it was as good as the f/2.8 objectively it would be easier to justify, but from the testing done so far it's not.


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Jan 06, 2013 12:28 |  #22

TweakMDS wrote in post #15451027 (external link)
Indeed, the 24mm and 28mm 2.8 IS could be worth it if they were at least as good - or better than the 24-70II, but they are not.
Perhaps they will develop a certain following with videographers, but to me those lenses are a missed opportunity. Had they been f/2 and with a proper short MFD, they could have been a very good alternative to some of the L primes or a good upgrade to the 28mm f/1.8, but at f/2.8, even with IS, it doesn't really add much.

I am an advocate of using 24 2.8 is. The 24 2.8 is is abit less sharp than 24-70 mkii but it had less distortion, better color corrected and better flare handling. I would say all of these things are way more important than a bit difference in sharpness.

I think many people miss out on these litter lenses. On a hike or travel, 24 2.8 is, 40 pancake, plus a telephotoroom 70-200 or 70-300 is a high performing kit that makes the carrying breeze.


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Jan 06, 2013 12:48 |  #23

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I am an advocate of using 24 2.8 is.

great...they sold one...


i'm not sure why people think the prices are going to drop so drastically...i can't think of any lens that dropped ~30% from it's initial price in just a couple months...


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Jan 06, 2013 18:39 |  #24

jimewall wrote in post #15451065 (external link)
The 50mm f/1.8!?!

Would you buy it now at $220?

What cost $130 (its MSRP back then) in 1990 would cost $223 in 2012.



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Jan 06, 2013 19:06 |  #25

HyperYagami wrote in post #15453686 (external link)
Would you buy it now at $220?

What cost $130 (its MSRP back then) in 1990 would cost $223 in 2012.

My answer of the 50mm f/1.8 answered you original questions. (Nobody moaned about MSRP! People are still buying it left and right despite complaints on build [not price]! It dropped slightly in price within a year! I don't know if people say Holy ----, but they say holy what a bang for the buck!)

How does this question address or apply to anything in your original four questions or to my answer?

But I'll play - your way (by loading the question, or in this case the answer)!

It would depend on the price of other lenses. If I needed the range and all the other lenses have also increased in cost at that same rate and I was still into photography - Well then yes I would because it would still be a deal compared to everything else!

Though I do wonder how you came up with that kind of increase in MSRP?


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Jan 06, 2013 20:20 |  #26

I cannot ever imagine buying this lens at anywhere near the price they are asking. I would just get a 24-70 VC Tamron lens. Canon is getting a little crazy with their pricing lately.


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Jan 06, 2013 20:24 |  #27

DreDaze wrote in post #15452286 (external link)
great...they sold one...


i'm not sure why people think the prices are going to drop so drastically...i can't think of any lens that dropped ~30% from it's initial price in just a couple months...

the 24-70 2.8 II was selling for $2049 + cashback. thats pretty darn low and fast for that lens


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Jan 06, 2013 20:26 |  #28

jimewall wrote in post #15453778 (external link)
My answer of the 50mm f/1.8 answered you original questions.

You missed the point. 50mm isn't a newly announced lens. That's why I said would you buy the 50mm right now at $230 after 20+ years of inflation.



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Jan 06, 2013 20:27 |  #29

HyperYagami wrote in post #15454144 (external link)
You missed the point. 50mm isn't a new announced lens.

So what about the lenses I mentioned then? :)


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Jan 06, 2013 20:33 |  #30

Sirrith wrote in post #15454147 (external link)
So what about the lenses I mentioned then? :)

And how do you know people aren't buying the 28mm? From gear head forum postings?

Basically this is how it's going to work. High MSRP, early adopters buy regardless, rebate/price drop etc kick in, more people buy, and people are more convinced of the higher prices. This happens with any electronics, whether you like it or not.



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