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Jan 08, 2013 09:59 |  #1

Spent a couple of days knocking the rust off and getting ready for a busy 2013. Here are a few favorites:


  1. http://www.sportscarin​sider.com …85.jpg?pictureI​d=17231418 (external link)

  2. http://www.sportscarin​sider.com …26.jpg?pictureI​d=17231345 (external link)

  3. http://www.sportscarin​sider.com …05.jpg?pictureI​d=17231356 (external link)

  4. http://www.sportscarin​sider.com …67.jpg?pictureI​d=17231359 (external link)

  5. http://www.sportscarin​sider.com …29.jpg?pictureI​d=17231424 (external link)

  6. http://www.sportscarin​sider.com …44.jpg?pictureI​d=17231421 (external link)

  7. http://www.sportscarin​sider.com …86.jpg?pictureI​d=17231433 (external link)

  8. http://www.sportscarin​sider.com …11.jpg?pictureI​d=17231332 (external link)

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Jan 08, 2013 11:45 |  #2

Great set as usual JT, not much else to say, I really like the colors and motion in #7, it all works really well together.


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Jan 08, 2013 12:11 |  #3

Amazing shots. 2 questions for you, first as I learn to pan ... how did you manage to get the front of the car sharp and seemingly loose focus on the back of the car in shot #5 and 7 ? Second how do you get close enough to get those shots ? Are you working with some special access or is it a gear question that anyone can accomplish ?


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Jan 08, 2013 12:15 |  #4

John Thawley is one of the pros at the pointed end of motorsports photography, he is part of the credentialed media.

The answer to the first question is much more involved, and has to do with focal plane and understanding the focal plane. JT has a great write up on the art of the pan...well worth the read. The Pan Shot (external link)


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Jan 08, 2013 12:19 |  #5

Quattrorocket wrote in post #15461557 (external link)
Amazing shots. 2 questions for you, first as I learn to pan ... how did you manage to get the front of the car sharp and seemingly loose focus on the back of the car in shot #5 and 7 ? Second how do you get close enough to get those shots ? Are you working with some special access or is it a gear question that anyone can accomplish ?

In answer to your second question. It's never gear, but you need the right tools for the job... knowing how to use it is another story. ;)

The challenge of getting the nose sharp is to pick an imaginery spot at the base of the windshield (usually). You have to keep in mind that only the part of the car that is travelling absolutely parallel to the "film" plane is going to stand a chance of being sharp. If you aim at the nose, that won't happen.

The back is blurred because, again... compared to that imaginery point that is parallel to the "film" plain is traveling slower and at a different angle. The cars behind are a similar phenomena ... but probably easier to understand.

Keep in mind, when the car is traveling at an angle it is actually rotating in it's alignment to your perspective. And, if you're panning, you are also rotating... right?

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Jan 08, 2013 12:20 |  #6

TRhoads wrote in post #15461571 (external link)
John Thawley is one of the pros at the pointed end of motorsports photography, he is part of the credentialed media.

The answer to the first question is much more involved, and has to do with focal plane and understanding the focal plane. JT has a great write up on the art of the pan...well worth the read. The Pan Shot (external link)

You're quick! Thanks...

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Jan 08, 2013 12:22 |  #7

JT, interesting concept on focusing on the bottom of the windshield, I never would have though to do it that way. I will have to try that next time out...I have always led the car just a little, like shooting clays with a shotgun...

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You're quick! Thanks...

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LOL...I sit at a computer all day...dreaming of being at the racetrack...


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Jan 08, 2013 12:26 |  #8

TRhoads wrote in post #15461593 (external link)
JT, interesting concept on focusing on the bottom of the windshield, I never would have though to do it that way. I will have to try that next time out...I have always led the car just a little, like shooting clays with a shotgun...


LOL...I sit at a computer all day...dreaming of being at the racetrack...

Yeah... for me, I think of an imaginary line through the car... front to back... that is parallel to the back of the camera... or what was always considered the film plain. As the blur difference of the front and the back demonstrate, they are rotating.... so the imaginary line is intersecting at the base of the windshield. Of course that shifts as the angle toward you becomes more severe.

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Jan 08, 2013 12:31 |  #9

So, do you put your selected focus point on the base of the windshield? I know you use the 7D, do you use the outside AF points much?


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Jan 08, 2013 12:42 |  #10

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So, do you put your selected focus point on the base of the windshield? I know you use the 7D, do you use the outside AF points much?

I like to use the lower center grouping for the most part. The lower group will force you to keep the lens up and push the car lower in the frame... where it belongs. :)

Sometimes, if I'm after something that's harder to track, I'll go to the center group since the autofocus is a bit quicker and weighted more to the middle.

BTW... I just checked the focus point on the GAINSCO car shot (#2). That shot seemed to be caught just between the front wheel and A pillar... so right along that imaginery line I was talking about. That was with my 500mm at 1/30th sec. ... so I'm sure I was scrambling to keep up with it. LOL


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Jan 08, 2013 12:44 |  #11

I tend to use only the points on the bottom of the spectrum from left to right too...the 7D is such an amazing piece of equipment...500mm @ 1/30...that is why I still do what I do, and why you do what you do...that is a hell of a shot.


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Jan 08, 2013 12:50 |  #12

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500mm @ 1/30...that is why I still do what I do, and why you do what you do...that is a hell of a shot.

Thanks... ;) Though I kind of got a kick out of the Turner car at 1/10 sec. It's actually sharper than it appears here.

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Jan 08, 2013 12:51 |  #13

I know this is not going to be very popular but, I gotta say John, I have been very disappointed with your last few posts. Reading your article on the photoshelter blog about motorsports photography and looking at some of your extensive back catalog of images from years past I kinda feel cheated by some of the post here. The images lack that dynamic lighting, inspirational composition, and the story telling abilities I have come to expect from a set of John Thawley images.

Really, simple panning shots? Cars center in an image, really? John, are you having an intern post your seconds or even thirds for you?

I'm sorry if my expectations are so high from you but, you set the bar very high with your article and some of the images I have seen on your website.

I understand when you get flat-light and cloudy days you will not get that magical light and working with nighttime racing leaves little opportunity to "chase the light" as it were but in the past even in the worst of conditions your images did not disappoint.

Honestly eight panning shots wherein almost every one the car is basically centered in the frame and it kind of makes me feel like you are just practicing panning and these aren't even your best panning shots.

I'm sorry, but I expect so much more quality and variety from you that this set feels like a bit of an afterthought.


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Jan 08, 2013 12:52 |  #14

I don't see how you guys do those...I can go down to 1/30, occasionally 1/20...but 1/10, I get nothing usable...no matter how much I work at it. And I have worked at it...


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Jan 08, 2013 12:57 |  #15

This is the stuff that really floats my boat of late...


  1. http://www.sportscarin​sider.com …05.jpg?pictureI​d=17231324 (external link)

  2. http://www.sportscarin​sider.com …56.jpg?pictureI​d=17231327 (external link)

  3. http://www.sportscarin​sider.com …47.jpg?pictureI​d=17231378 (external link)

  4. http://www.sportscarin​sider.com …93.jpg?pictureI​d=17231377 (external link)

  5. http://www.sportscarin​sider.com …81.jpg?pictureI​d=17231325 (external link)

  6. http://www.sportscarin​sider.com …01.jpg?pictureI​d=17231376 (external link)

  7. http://www.sportscarin​sider.com …18.jpg?pictureI​d=17231373 (external link)

  8. http://www.sportscarin​sider.com …41.jpg?pictureI​d=17231329 (external link)

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