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Jan 08, 2013 05:31 |  #1

2 shots from within the pits, the Peugeot 206 Hot Rod of Billy Bonnar waits for the next race, along with the 4 car L&P team lead by the 2 BMW Minis


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Jan 08, 2013 06:12 |  #2

For me the pits are about people and emotions, I hate to say it but these are just snap shots...


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Jan 08, 2013 07:36 |  #3

Just because the cars (or bikes) are stationary I don't think labels a shot as a snap


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Jan 08, 2013 07:57 |  #4

The problem with shooting in the pits, is there needs to be a connection to the moment, or a story involved with shots in the pits, selective focus, or capturing the eyes of a driver about to make a run or lay down a hot lap...

The reason these feel like snapshots:
#1 cuts off the person standing next to the car, the background is too much in focus and it is distracting. If that is the driver, focus on him, his facial expression, the concentration, if it isn't the driver, well, then its a snapshot of the crew person standing next to the car, wait until they are doing something, adjusting something, fiddling with the car or prepping the driver.

#2 is a line of cars next to a building, to make that shot more interesting, get low in front of the first car, shoot down the line, with focus falling off as the cars recede into the comp...

shooting in the pits and making them interesting requires more creativity, and IMO is harder than shooting the action.


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Jan 08, 2013 09:01 |  #5

Re #1 I would obviously prefer the team member not to have been partially in the shot, but I know from experience you can't ask pit crew to move out the way every time someone wants a shot and there are plenty doing just that.

Re # 2 being in front of the lead car would have lost the intended shot which was in a very tight space behind the grandstand to get all 4 team cars in the shot. I have another shot which is the one you suggest with the front of the front car filling the frame


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Jan 08, 2013 13:05 |  #6

I think #1 looks incomplete with the crew memebers head chopped off. Sometimes you just cant get the intended shot and when you try it ends up making it worse. In this case I think the best would have been with the crew member in it. Be him the driver or crew chief or some lacky thats required to push the car up. Otherwise its just a shot of a stationary car that could have been taken on race day or a practice/test day.

#2 is what it is. I would have done a down the line shot from the other side seeing as thats how they curved in their parked positions.


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Jan 08, 2013 15:51 |  #7

My reason for saying they are snapshots has nothing to do with the lack of movement, they are snapshots because no thought has gone into making them anything more.

1: True often you can't get people to move out of the way so the simple answer is shot in such a way that they either become a part of the image or are not in it at all, just chopping a head off doesn't work. I'm looking at this first image and seeing some nice lighting, I would have got down lower and more front on and shot not more than two thirds of the width of the car and I would have done it with a much more open aperture to get some background blur. Since you don't allow image editing I won't do anything to you image but it could be cropped to improve it significantly.

2. I see a line of cars, I see wet ground, I would be down low shooting front on trying to make something of the line of cars and picking up things like the wet ground.

As I said in my first reply, shooting pit lane is all about people and emotions, I should also have added shapes.

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Jan 08, 2013 16:10 as a reply to  @ agosling's post |  #8

Whats the difference between a snap shot and something you would enlarge and frame?
Whoops that answers my question.
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Jan 08, 2013 18:08 |  #10

TRhoads wrote in post #15460577 (external link)
The problem with shooting in the pits, is there needs to be a connection to the moment, or a story involved with shots in the pits, selective focus, or capturing the eyes of a driver about to make a run or lay down a hot lap...

The reason these feel like snapshots:
#1 cuts off the person standing next to the car, the background is too much in focus and it is distracting. If that is the driver, focus on him, his facial expression, the concentration, if it isn't the driver, well, then its a snapshot of the crew person standing next to the car, wait until they are doing something, adjusting something, fiddling with the car or prepping the driver.

#2 is a line of cars next to a building, to make that shot more interesting, get low in front of the first car, shoot down the line, with focus falling off as the cars recede into the comp...

shooting in the pits and making them interesting requires more creativity, and IMO is harder than shooting the action.

Re #1 I wanted to close in on the superb looking hot rod which the car is and I realised to do that the price was from the original chop the guys head off which obviously wasn't ideal, but it closed in on the car to emphasis it which was my intention.

Re#2 I was asked by the team to get the 4 car shot and it was never going to be possible from the other side with people coming in and out the stand and along the walk way, so it had to be from the drivers side. As said before there is in the set the frontal shot you suggest but obviously largely of the front car only. Anyway the team & sponsors got the 4 car shot requested & I went home with a pocket of money - everyone happy


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Jan 09, 2013 01:32 as a reply to  @ jock3's post |  #11
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Jan 09, 2013 13:45 |  #12

jock3 wrote in post #15463137 (external link)
Anyway the team & sponsors got the 4 car shot requested & I went home with a pocket of money - everyone happy

That was the shot you got, and that shot was the money shot....?


I don't understand.

I am by no means a pro of any sort, I rarely go out with my camera anyway, but I would certainly have opted for a longer lens with the second shot if that was the shot they specifically asked for.

I think i would have got further up front with half of the front car in the right hand side of the picture and the 4th car on the left hand side... All mainly in focus but the last car fading with bokeh.


I'm not as think as you confused I am..

  
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Jan 09, 2013 17:53 |  #13

I totally stand by that shot, it was what was asked for and everyone was happy. It was also taken inbetween cars leaving the track as the team were about to enter the track. It sold 8 x 30" posters and as I recall about 8 - 10x8 " I was hard up against the trailers, so couldn't go back and it was taken in the couple of seconds between cars passing in front of the lens, so I couldn't go forward without risking getting run-over. The subjects then moved to the track, it was take it or miss it!


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