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Jan 11, 2013 23:40 |  #1081

A quick update to the stairs question about an a4039 or similar Avenger lazy leg steel stand. By maxing out the two upper legs within the stair tread and fully extending the lazy leg, I can NOT make the stand vertial on interior stairs. It's off a couple of degres to the lazy side which really impacts the stability. Now this isn't weighted, but any pull to 45 degrees of either side of lazy is going to tip. Normally you boom over a leg, so unless you are booming straight down the stairs it will be unblananced without a mess of weight.

FWIW, reducing the leg spread will further increase the angle of tilt and additionally, the base of the center shaft will contact the stair tread and make it all even more unstable.

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Jan 12, 2013 00:16 |  #1082

Other reasons to prefer the D600 over the combi-boom a4039...

1. min angle of a4039 makes loaded transport of stand, boom and gear nearly imposible if you can bear the weight (see 1st pic)
2. clamped weight on boom section of a4039 has to be removed and boom collapsed to make things portable - i.e. disconnect everything... (Manfroto 10lbs clamp on 1st pic) ((I don't like dangly weights))
3. boom angle of tilt, yaw and length controlled by single lock on a4039 - i.e. when not parallel to the floor any release of the lock will mean that the entire boom including counter weight and stobe could slide to low side...
4. D600 and A420 wheeled stand are far more portable in 2nd pic - note that all accessories can stay attached to D600 boom and can also be removed as 1 unit from the a420 when you get back to the truck - 10lbs clamp weight, PCB Lithium, PCB strobe + modifier
5. D600 can go completely vertical with stud end in either the up or down position
6. D600 and A420 stand can be wheeled across stuff by tilting stand 45 degrees to ground with far leg stretched up in the air
7. NEVER use flip flops to set or release wheel locks on the A420
8. I have NEVER shot outside on anything as steep as stairs - the 4039 has ALWAYS accomodated slopes except for muddy situations where the lazy leg settles down into muck

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Jan 12, 2013 14:51 |  #1083

Dave Jr wrote in post #15475762 (external link)
Yes.

I have both, the A470 combi boom stand (which has a very large footprint), and a C-Stand with the D-600. I feel the C-stand with D600 is more stable.

Case, you have both as well, what do you think?

Why are you even asking me ? Don't you already know ?

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As far as "Boom" goes, the d600 is king, with a solid set of legs (C-stands are awesome) its beatable only by the manfrotto geared booms that have knobs to turn the tip.

The A470 is a great stand, and can pull off double duty as a boom, i dislike the end point for counter-weight and the minimum angle design, as well as the square legs. But its a solid heavy stand with a large ass footprint that doesn't usually require sandbagging for lightweight stuff, so i'll carry it on-location as it saves me having to carry sandbags as well.

If i could only have one, i'd have the D600+ Cstand personally.

As far as stairs go, this is the best i can do, and its not something i recommend. Although, one could push it closer to the handrails and loop through a couple bungees for added safety.

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Be aware that when you pull out a massive SHINY stand like the A470, you will attract attention.

I can actually think of one job where i would of used the A470+D600 together had i actually brought both along... You can get quite a boomed height with the two of em....

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Jan 12, 2013 14:53 |  #1084

Does that mean you think the catand is more stable? :)


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Jan 12, 2013 15:09 |  #1085

Remember though, for booming a drop down pin makes any boom much better.

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Jan 12, 2013 15:38 |  #1086
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Csae wrote in post #15479732 (external link)
Remember though, for booming a drop down pin makes any boom much better.

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So are you suggesting that using the proper equipment (to "hang" the light in a manner that avoids rotation of the boom shaft) is a good idea?? But where is the fun in that?? I like reading all of the posts where people choose not to use the appropriate support accessories, and think that the solution is to simply "crank harder" on the threaded locking-stud.

Of course, using that technique may actually cause the user to break the equipment, but that's OK, because then we can all complain about how poorly made the equipment is. I'm not stupid enough to mention any particular brand of equipment, because honestly, it all breaks if it is used improperly. As a structural engineer, I try my best to relieve stress in all situations.

Speaking of stress, I think I need a massage.


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Jan 12, 2013 16:09 |  #1087

You know, i'm quite stressed myself... Alot of... tension points.


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Jan 12, 2013 16:39 |  #1088

Pink Butterfly wrote in post #15479791 (external link)
I try my best to relieve stress in all situations.

the solution is to simply "crank harder"

Speaking of stress, I think I need a massage.

go easy on your equipment there :lol:


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Jan 12, 2013 19:21 |  #1089

FJ LOVE wrote in post #15479955 (external link)
go easy on your equipment there :lol:

Nice!


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Jan 12, 2013 23:31 |  #1090

Csae wrote in post #15479670 (external link)
Why are you even asking me ? Don't you already know ?

As I stated, I feel the C-stand with boom is more stable, smart ass, I was asking for you to chime in :p

Csae wrote in post #15479670 (external link)
I can actually think of one job where i would of used the A470+D600 together had i actually brought both along... You can get quite a boomed height with the two of em....

My standard studio setup is the A470 (with wonky wheels that you don't like) and a D600 on top. Yes, you can get quite a boomed height with the two together, and the D600 is much nicer to work with than the combi boom.


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Jan 12, 2013 23:45 |  #1091

Csae wrote in post #15479732 (external link)
Remember though, for booming a drop down pin makes any boom much better.

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I prefer the Avenger F830RH or F825 (left unlocked) so you don't have to loosen the strobe mount in order to swivel the head left or right. These don't work as well, though, with a strong boom angle.


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Mar 22, 2013 03:56 |  #1092

Here's some of my grip gear on location today for a video shoot. This local author does a daily advice video blog and I shoot at his house 2-3 times a month.
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Supporting the hair light is a D600 mini boom + A2030D turtle c-stand. I've got a 10lb sandbag as a counterweight just out of frame.
My key light is being supported by the beastly A4050cs combi-boom + e700 drop down pin. This thing is so awesome! It doesn't even flinch when I attach my 18lb video light+softbox+bulbs+gr​id to one end and a 20lb counterweight to the other. The light is designed to put 4 150w cfl bulbs in a PCB 47" octa. This thing is bright! I also have an impact reflector holder on a manfrotto nano stand to provide clamshell lighting.
Anywhoo, I love my avenger gear, especially the 4050cs. I've started to take it with me for my location photoshoots as well because it does so well in the wind. I can hoist that 47" octa on an einstein and not have to worry about the stand tipping because of the wind.
...not that great for when I have to walk more than a 100 yards or so from the car with it, though... :) But I can get over it.

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Jan 27, 2014 19:06 |  #1094

Drool


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Jan 28, 2014 09:31 |  #1095

Chester, what stand is that? D600 boom?


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