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Jan 12, 2013 21:13 |  #46

I sure understand his view. Marketing is half the job. A bunch of L lenses, black and white, sure help to get rid of clients insecurity if they are not convinced by your portfolio. However If I had a stellar portfolio, I would not care to be seen with the S35. It look way better and modern than a ef-s lens or a 50mm f1.4.

It's just like the CG companies that keep their old Silicon Graphic computers (refrigerator sized) to impress the clients even if those computers are slower than any modern quad.

But there might still be some hope for you. Get a broken 24-70L, remove glass, insert the S35, put an innocent look on your face and go shooting!


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Jan 12, 2013 21:23 |  #47

Nobody knows about L lenses in the real world. Where the hell are you finding clients? Photography conventions?


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Jan 12, 2013 21:39 |  #48

Maverique wrote in post #15480912 (external link)
Nobody knows about L lenses in the real world. Where the hell are you finding clients? Photography conventions?

Plus the elusive L is brand specific.I bet some Canon shooters have no clue about the red ring. I guess Nikon shooters are out of luck too..


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Jan 12, 2013 22:50 |  #49

Nobody knows about L lenses in the real world.

Lol, you might well be right. However here in Japan, every man that own a canon dslr (almost every 25+ man in the country) knows about L lens. And every man and woman knows about the white lenses as it is a favorite for grandpops. At any event you have a flock of elderly men with white lenses. Thus it is view as somewhat uncool by the girls (except on foreigners strangely). Black lenses are best for younger men!!

Funny country!


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Jan 12, 2013 23:12 |  #50

Where I come from, branding and red rings aren't what people notice, it's: "That's a big camera." or "That's a big lens!".

They don't know a thing about what L or EX or DG or VC mean.


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Jan 13, 2013 04:29 |  #51

Earwax69 wrote in post #15481192 (external link)
Lol, you might well be right. However here in Japan, every man that own a canon dslr (almost every 25+ man in the country) knows about L lens. And every man and woman knows about the white lenses as it is a favorite for grandpops. At any event you have a flock of elderly men with white lenses. Thus it is view as somewhat uncool by the girls (except on foreigners strangely). Black lenses are best for younger men!!

Funny country!

That's the country of Hentai. They don't count. Honestly.

Although I've run across a few japanese people here in Ă“bidos (they seem to love the place) and they all were pointing at my old 30V camera coupled with a 24-70L and they were pointing and saying "made in Japan". I thought it was funny. If I had a Leica I could reciprocate :(


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Jan 13, 2013 06:29 |  #52

How come big lenses in white looks good but small white ones look bad ? IMO.




  
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Jan 13, 2013 07:31 |  #53

That's the country of Hentai. They don't count. Honestly.

Not sure I follow you... Do you think everyone is hentai in Japan? It would be like saying that everyone in the US are Klu Klux Klan or that everyone in France are mimes!

Your avatar is so hentai by the way!! ;)


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Jan 13, 2013 09:21 |  #54
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AlanU wrote in post #15475439 (external link)
Great deal for 1000 bucks. Use if for about 5yrs and sell it for 900!!! then later you can buy a used sigma 35mm for $600 LOL!!! Used sigma lenses drop quickly soon as its used.

When I purchased my new 35L a while back it was about 1700 including taxes. If I sell it for 1200 I lose $500. but if I buy a new sigma it'll be around 1120 (including taxes). So if I sell for 1200 and save 80 dollars.........hmmm. Waste of time really. Even if the Sigma produces marginally better IQ I would not get paid more for my work. At this point I'd rather sell the 35L and spend another 800+ for a 35Lmk2 (when it becomes available).

Since you already own one of the great red ring 35mm primes there's no real decisions to make.

If you didn't have a 35mm in your gearbag then thats a different story.

MFG, you speak the truth. Nothing shallow said....

I don't buy lenses just to sell them. I would rather buy the right lens today and shoot the he'll out of it and if I need to sell it tomorrow, so be it at whatever price it gets. I'd rather take years of pictures with the better lens, and from what I am seeing thst is the Sigma, than purchase an inferior lens because of some future resale price.

Typically my gear lasts me for many years and by thst time, I got whatever cost I put into them.




  
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Jan 13, 2013 13:53 |  #55

AlanU wrote in post #15475439 (external link)
Great deal for 1000 bucks. Use if for about 5yrs and sell it for 900!!! then later you can buy a used sigma 35mm for $600 LOL!!! Used sigma lenses drop quickly soon as its used.

When I purchased my new 35L a while back it was about 1700 including taxes. If I sell it for 1200 I lose $500. but if I buy a new sigma it'll be around 1120 (including taxes). So if I sell for 1200 and save 80 dollars.........hmmm. Waste of time really. Even if the Sigma produces marginally better IQ I would not get paid more for my work. At this point I'd rather sell the 35L and spend another 800+ for a 35Lmk2 (when it becomes available).

Since you already own one of the great red ring 35mm primes there's no real decisions to make.

If you didn't have a 35mm in your gearbag then thats a different story.

MFG, you speak the truth. Nothing shallow said....

This is a load, Alan.

To buy a 35L new today you'd be paying $1300+ with taxes. 6 months ago 35Ls cost $1400, and I bought one used and sold it a week later then for $1200. Now 35Ls sell for $1050 used. $350 depreciation in 6 months.

Sigma 35s are $900 brand new, $950 with taxes. You can sell a used one for $850. That's $50 depreciation.

Same story with my sigma 70-200 OS. Bought used for $950, can still sell it for $950 6 months later.

Once again, same story with my 85 1.4, bought used for $750 8 months ago, can still sell it for $750 8 months later.

Used 35Ls, however, have dropped over $100 in the past 6 months when bought used.


Sigma lenses hold their value just as well as Canon lenses. Good glass is good glass. The sigma 35 is currently the sharpest 35 on the market, and even if the 35L2 comes out and is sharper, the sigma will still be less than half the cost.


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Jan 13, 2013 14:34 |  #56

drzenitram wrote in post #15483134 (external link)
This is a load, Alan.

To buy a 35L new today you'd be paying $1300+ with taxes. 6 months ago 35Ls cost $1400, and I bought one used and sold it a week later then for $1200. Now 35Ls sell for $1050 used. $350 depreciation in 6 months.

Sigma 35s are $900 brand new, $950 with taxes. You can sell a used one for $850. That's $50 depreciation.

Same story with my sigma 70-200 OS. Bought used for $950, can still sell it for $950 6 months later.

Once again, same story with my 85 1.4, bought used for $750 8 months ago, can still sell it for $750 8 months later.

Used 35Ls, however, have dropped over $100 in the past 6 months when bought used.


Sigma lenses hold their value just as well as Canon lenses. Good glass is good glass. The sigma 35 is currently the sharpest 35 on the market, and even if the 35L2 comes out and is sharper, the sigma will still be less than half the cost.

Currently alot of places in canada sells for $1650-1700. In the US B&H sells for 1479. Many used L lenses sold for cheap is usually the old date codes. Sigma 35mm are fresh out of the oven so of coarse the used prices would reflect high due to a "used" 1mth old lens LOL!!!

Your talking about purchasing a used lens (cheap prices) and selling the used lens for similar price you bought it for. Sigma's or any 3rd party lens historically dropped substantially in price in the used market. I simply dont typically buy used so this is just my observation.

This discussion is all gearhead talk.....there are so many capable photogs with cheaper lenses produces superior work over $$$$$$$ L lenses etc. I fully understand the differences between skill and gear. My prerequisite in a lens is AF consistency not how sharp the "keepers" are. Looks like 35mm Sigma is much better now though.

I agree the fresh 2012 Sigma 35mm certainly has the edge on the 1998 designed 35L....no big suprise really. I'll gladly spend more money for the 35Lmk2 aswell as the 24-70Lmk2 (next to buy). I do understand that my post processing skills can increase my IQ substantially regardless of what lens I use. Personal preference is my main reason for going Canon lenses as well as my past experiences in less hassles with AF issues.

Working professionals getting killer copies of the Sigma 35mm should be happy. Bottom line in running a business is the ratio of running the business and profit. If you speak with camera sales people they will state most expensive gear is typically purchased from hobbyists. Or on the other hand there are alot of pro's that sells their expensive gear (within a short period) and view this as a "rental" fee in operating the business. Then purchasing new gear to reduce breakage due to higher mileage gear.

If I had a perfectly focusing lens I'd be happy....thats bottom line. $$$$ is part of the equation but I'm willing to spend more for the newest canon lens coatings that produces incredible micro contrast. I'm more willing to invest my development as a photog and not on my gear. I just dont want to revisit my horrible experiences with Sigma AF issues. Canon has worked for me so this is my personal justification. I dont tell people to what to buy.

If you like Sigma thats great if it works for you.....


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Jan 13, 2013 14:42 |  #57

drzenitram wrote in post #15481237 (external link)
Where I come from, branding and red rings aren't what people notice, it's: "That's a big camera." or "That's a big lens!".

They don't know a thing about what L or EX or DG or VC mean.


same here :P




  
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Jan 13, 2013 14:50 |  #58

Earwax69 wrote in post #15481970 (external link)
Not sure I follow you... Do you think everyone is hentai in Japan? It would be like saying that everyone in the US are Klu Klux Klan or that everyone in France are mimes!

Your avatar is so hentai by the way!! ;)

I was just joking. Seriously, in 99.9% of planet Earth nobody knows what an L ring is.

Also, regarding the avatar, hell yeah: http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=aDaOgu2CQtI (external link)


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Jan 13, 2013 16:04 |  #59

i love my canon 35L 1.4
so
why im here in this thread
Big LoOL


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Jan 13, 2013 17:07 |  #60

i m hoping to join this club soon...


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