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Jan 16, 2013 13:51 |  #1

So, I know this guy, that actually takes some decent shots. He is into a very narrow and sort of specialized field - mountaineering photography - which does give him indeed an edge.
Now, by chance and lack of competition, and mostly a pay-back favor, he was even awarded some prize for shots he donated to a mountaineering group he belongs to...
He know calls himself an "artist" really! - printed right on his FB photography page - note that the guy as a profession, and photography is indeed an hobby/ wanna-be-freelancer gig going on.
Not that he does not deserve credit for hauling sometimes 10 pounds of gear while climbing, and that indeed he has some good quality shots.
What disturbs me is, seeing him naming himself artist, when indeed he does not belong in such a category...
Now, I am not jealous - it's just a rant, because other people will perceive him as such(artist) and it will diminish the true artist perception, and lead to wrongfull perception common people have about photographers, and artists

so when does a photographer can be indeed be called an artist? or it's fine, to just got ahead and grabe the title? LOL


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Jan 16, 2013 13:58 |  #2

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So, I know this guy, that actually takes some decent shots. He is into a very narrow and sort of specialized field - mountaineering photography - which does give him indeed an edge.
Now, by chance and lack of competition, and mostly a pay-back favor, he was even awarded some prize for shots he donated to a mountaineering group he belongs to...
He know calls himself an "artist" really! - printed right on his FB photography page - note that the guy as a profession, and photography is indeed an hobby/ wanna-be-freelancer gig going on.
Not that he does not deserve credit for hauling sometimes 10 pounds of gear while climbing, and that indeed he has some good quality shots.
What disturbs me is, seeing him naming himself artist, when indeed he does not belong in such a category...
Now, I am not jealous - it's just a rant, because other people will perceive him as such(artist) and it will diminish the true artist perception, and lead to wrongfull perception common people have about photographers, and artists

so when does a photographer can be indeed be called an artist? or it's fine, to just got ahead and grabe the title? LOL

Did he graduate from artist school? That's the key point, I think. :rolleyes:

This is a pretty odd rant. Who cares what he calls himself?


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Jan 16, 2013 14:06 as a reply to  @ edge100's post |  #3

Seriously, your upset because he calls himself an artist. Hell when my daughter was 2 she finger painted better then some artist (in my openion). If he called himself a photographer would that upset you as well? What he shoots can be hung on a wall or displayed which makes it art in turn making him an artist.




  
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Jan 16, 2013 14:06 as a reply to  @ edge100's post |  #4

If he is an artist, then he may not be the best.
As an example, years ago in Dear Abby, (If anyone remembers her) she had written, 'Out of all of the lawyers and doctors there is, 50% graduated in the bottom of their class', or something to that effect... What that means is, if a person is an artist, they may be a not-so-good one, so that artist could've been in the bottom half. :)

I do know what you are meaning though, you have to earn a title like that, or, you make your living as one.
Personally, I have been an artist for many years, not a photographer artist though, and it took me years before I felt I could call myself one. I know where I stand in the art world too, (maybe not in the upper parts! heheh) but still, I am one.

The thing is, he can call himself what he wants, and if he is, then others will notice, and if he isn't, they will still notice, and he will be weeded out.

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Jan 16, 2013 14:17 |  #5
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Frankly, any creative field one can call oneself an artist. You can call yourself an artist too. :) How good of an artist you are depending on a lot of things. Are your arts unique? Do they express some inner visions of yours? Are you breaking new ground and setting up an new trend? Are there professional artists??? Hahahaha..... All creative art forms are more or less in the hobby realm. You love what you do and maybe good enough being commissioned to create an art piece. What if your art is beyond the time and your works are only famous posthumously??? Does it mean you become an artist after you have died???? Heheheh....


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Jan 16, 2013 14:18 |  #6

You really need to take a deep breath, maybe a good stiff drink, and worry about what you are going to call yourself. As for me, I call my self King Emperor of the Department of Redundancy Department, Sector R. Kedrdsr for short.


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Jan 16, 2013 14:22 |  #7

Other people care, and believe in it because he call himself such ..and they don't know better.

Randy says it well, that you have to earn the title - just like the appalachian trail thru hikers - they are given a nickname; they don't choose one :)

Yes, he can call himself one, just like anyone else can. I seen him in action - he is not in pursue of intelectual recognizition, therefore my useless rant about this.


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Jan 16, 2013 14:22 |  #8

recrisp wrote in post #15496787 (external link)
I do know what you are meaning though, you have to earn a title like that

Where do you go to earn that title? Its kinda like the "photographer" title. Now engineer, doctor those are titles you have to earn and normaly have paper work to back it up.




  
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Jan 16, 2013 14:24 |  #9

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You really need to take a deep breath, maybe a good stiff drink, and worry about what you are going to call yourself. As for me, I call my self King Emperor of the Department of Redundancy Department, Sector R. Kedrdsr for short.

LOL - I care less about what I call myself- darn, another 4 hours till that stiff drink.


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Jan 16, 2013 14:25 |  #10

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Other people care, and believe in it because he call himself such ..and they don't know better.

Randy says it well, that you have to earn the title - just like the appalachian trail thru hikers - they are given a nickname; they don't choose one :)

Yes, he can call himself one, just like anyone else can. I seen him in action - he is not in pursue of intelectual recognizition, therefore my useless rant about this.

Would you be happier if he called himself a photographer? or can he not do that either. Hell I have viewed so much crap that is put out by "Artists" that it makes my head spin.




  
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Jan 16, 2013 14:25 |  #11

One of the worst rants I've read on PotN. Let him call whatever he wants to label himself.

In this day and age, I can poo on a piece of paper and consider that art and myself an artist. I've seen art exhibits of just a urinal, a painting that's completely blue, something that looks like a color palette from home depot, etc. (all from the Philadelphia Art Museum). You name it, they have it. Art is subjective, so anything can be considered art. That being said, if he wants to label his photographs art, then so be it. It shouldn't bother you at all. If I want to label myself the best wedding photographer in the universe, so be it. Whether it's true or not, he himself knows. Period.


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...that you have to earn the title - just like the appalachian trail thru hikers - they are given a nickname; they don't choose one :)....

Hey, just like animal house or the Title Fairy. Maybe you'll to get a title you earned, Jealous and insecure. :):):):)


Ok, that was a bit mean, but come on, really? Your gonna get your undies in a bunch because someone calls them selves an artist? Let it go, it's just not worth it.


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Jan 16, 2013 14:29 |  #13

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Where do you go to earn that title? Its kinda like the "photographer" title. Now engineer, doctor those are titles you have to earn and normaly have paper work to back it up.

Photographer is/can be a profession, hence the title

Doctors are so full of it, that they even introduce themselves ( outside work environment), as Doctor bla-bla, as if was part of their name

The point being of, what one can call himself, and indeed deserving the title

( you should not be so upset for what I think anyway - geezz.... keep it above 5th grade level)


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Hey, just like animal house or the Title Fairy. Maybe you'll to get a title you earned, Jealous and insecure. :):):):)


Ok, that was a bit mean, but come on, really? Your gonna get your undies in a bunch because someone calls them selves an artist? Let it go, it's just not worth it.

I think I know what the problem is, he is calling himself an artist while eating at a 5 star resturant and not top ramen. Gotta be starving to call yourself an artist right :lol:




  
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NWPhil wrote in post #15496864 (external link)
Other people care, and believe in it because he call himself such ..and they don't know better.

Randy says it well, that you have to earn the title - just like the appalachian trail thru hikers - they are given a nickname; they don't choose one :)

Yes, he can call himself one, just like anyone else can. I seen him in action - he is not in pursue of intellectual recognition, therefore my useless rant about this.


This is what you don't understand about arts. Successful artists are usually artists manage to capitalize the current trend and to satisfy certain intellectual persuade of the age spirit. They manage to please the crowds. Now, what if you believe that your artistic visions are beyond the age time and somewhat very individualistic. And you have no intentions to please the herd mentality. Well, you won't be as successful as the artists who are pleasing the crowds and making everyone happy.


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