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Jan 17, 2013 21:01 |  #1

not many of my friends are supportive with me going to school for photography, they say "it's very competitive, it'll be difficult to make money, etc." while those statements may be true, can you put on price on doing something your good at and love doing? i think it'll be a good idea because a degree could seperate me from others in my area, but i am worried, as we discussed numerous times it's not always about the equipment but who's behind the camera. so without going through a whole moral shpeeel of why i like it it's more of is it worth it? i'm in the military so i'm not all that worried about tuition and fees covered etc. they'll take care of most of it, if not 100% on some schools. i know alot of photographers have greatly progressed through their careers with little to no school at all. i'm just confused on what to do...:confused:

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Jan 17, 2013 21:33 |  #2

i have a bachelors in photography. here's my advice: go to business or marketing school instead.


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Jan 17, 2013 21:36 |  #3

+ 1 for awad post +1
Looks like you are the right track... in the military, GI Bill, Vet, etc...with this school will it provide a degree that you can fall back on? does it have job placement when you get out?
Have a plan 'B'
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Jan 17, 2013 21:38 |  #4

awad wrote in post #15502839 (external link)
i have a bachelors in photography. here's my advice: go to business or marketing school instead.

Totally agree, and I'm no "pro". It's all about business and marketing if you want to be a full-time photographer.


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Jan 17, 2013 21:47 as a reply to  @ Joe300's post |  #5

Went to college on the GI bill. B/A photography and have worked in photography full time for over 25 years. Had a job with one of the top shooters in the area the day I finished my classes. I learned more about how to run a successful photography business in just a few months working than I did with all of my business and marketing classes put together. Those classes prepare you to work for IBM but do little to help in the real world of professional photography. I think some basic classes are helpful but learn all you can about the craft. Hire people to help you in the areas you are weak in. You can't do it all well and the more creative you are the less likely you will be good at the left brained stuff. Every single successful photographer I know has people help run the biz and that leaves them to what they love and do best. And they all have great accountants. Most that have studios, have studio managers. Reps to help market and accountants to help them with the money. I mean a chef opens a restaurant they usually either partner with someone to run the front of the restaurant or the hire people to do that. I've seen'm come and go over the years. I would guess 80% have failed and the ones I have seen fail are usually the ones that try and do it all. You can't be good at everything so be really good at what you really love. ;)




  
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Jan 17, 2013 21:49 as a reply to  @ Hikin Mike's post |  #6

If you decide to go to school the business route, remember to take as many art related courses as you can.


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Jan 17, 2013 21:59 |  #7

Hikin Mike wrote in post #15502871 (external link)
Totally agree, and I'm no "pro". It's all about business and marketing if you want to be a full-time photographer.

i'm on a local college's website now, so more specifically a business management course? because according to their "career potentials" they include: self employment, corporate and sales management. i think self employment applies to photography and/or running/starting a photography business.


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Jan 17, 2013 22:00 |  #8

pbelarge wrote in post #15502929 (external link)
If you decide to go to school the business route, remember to take as many art related courses as you can.

agreed, i don't want to be tied up in numbers and accounting finances when i need creativity the most.


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Jan 17, 2013 22:02 |  #9

airfrogusmc wrote in post #15502923 (external link)
Went to college on the GI bill. B/A photography and have worked in photography full time for over 25 years. Had a job with one of the top shooters in the area the day I finished my classes. I learned more about how to run a successful photography business in just a few months working than I did with all of my business and marketing classes put together. Those classes prepare you to work for IBM but do little to help in the real world of professional photography. I think some basic classes are helpful but learn all you can about the craft. Hire people to help you in the areas you are weak in. You can't do it all well and the more creative you are the less likely you will be good at the left brained stuff. Every single successful photographer I know has people help run the biz and that leaves them to what they love and do best. And they all have great accountants. Most that have studios, have studio managers. Reps to help market and accountants to help them with the money. I mean a chef opens a restaurant they usually either partner with someone to run the front of the restaurant or the hire people to do that. I've seen'm come and go over the years. I would guess 80% have failed and the ones I have seen fail are usually the ones that try and do it all. You can't be good at everything so be really good at what you really love. ;)

there's a school that's "somewhat" nearby about a good 2 hour drive, that specializes in photography but they also take classes on business and marketing later in the program. thanks for the story and input :D


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Jan 17, 2013 22:07 |  #10

Joe300 wrote in post #15502855 (external link)
+ 1 for awad post +1
Looks like you are the right track... in the military, GI Bill, Vet, etc...with this school will it provide a BS degree that you can fall back on? does it have job placement when you get out?
Have a plan 'B'
Photographers and computer Geeks= people go to computer school to learn computers, some people are just born with it...
stay on the right track,
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Thanks joe, i like working on cars alot so i can possibly pick up some "grease monkey" job in a local shop. but that'd be a last resort, not that i don't want to do it, just not the direction i wanted to go in. also agree on having a plan b, some other skill or knowledge can land me somewhere so i don't have to be "stuck" so to speak.


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Jan 17, 2013 22:13 |  #11

ericm678 wrote in post #15502981 (external link)
i'm on a local college's website now, so more specifically a business management course? because according to their "career potentials" they include: self employment, corporate and sales management. i think self employment applies to photography and/or running/starting a photography business.

I would say so. Photography is only a small portion if you want to have your own photography business. It's more about marketing and "business" than photography.


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Jan 17, 2013 22:17 |  #12

Hikin Mike wrote in post #15503026 (external link)
I would say so. Photography is only a small portion if you want to have your own photography business. It's more about marketing and "business" than photography.

And if you are really smart you leave that to the experts that do it all day every day. ;) Because you just can't be good at it all.




  
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Jan 17, 2013 22:19 |  #13

ericm678 wrote in post #15503004 (external link)
also agree on having a plan b, some other skill or knowledge can land me somewhere so i don't have to be "stuck" so to speak.

As a full time commercial/advertising photographer since 1984 I can tell you one thing. Being stuck in a cubicle for that amount of time would have killed me for sure. If you really have the drive and desire to go into full time photography then find the best photography school you can that also will give you an art education. You can hire people to do the boring BS stuff. You can't hire anyone to do the photography side.

Trying to be a one man band relying on a business education will probably put you squarely in the middle of a cubicle.


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Jan 17, 2013 22:27 as a reply to  @ breal101's post |  #14

well spoken, hit the nail on the head there. so in short i can be a "jack of all trades" and be kinda miserable but still take good photos, or "Master of one" and love it, while capturing breathtaking photos.


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Jan 17, 2013 22:35 |  #15

airfrogusmc wrote in post #15503039 (external link)
And if you are really smart you leave that to the experts that do it all day every day. ;) Because you just can't be good at it all.

True, unless you are. I'm not. :lol:


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