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Jan 15, 2013 14:03 as a reply to  @ post 15488288 |  #2851

Well, mine is now in for servicing for a faulty OS (free under the warranty), hopefully I can get it back soon!

Even with the dodgy OS, this shot was handheld at ISO 800 at sunset - rather pleased:

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Not having a lens has given me a chance to do some more editing - pretty much all 150 of these (clicky: 2012 Aviation Review (external link)) were taken in the past 7 months with the 120-300 (apart from the obviously wider angle ones). I'm pleased, and definitely agree with what woos said a few comments back about the hit rate compared to the 100-400L, when you couple the 120-300 with a 1.4. :)

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Jan 15, 2013 17:27 |  #2852

Great shot Ben!

Your aviation photos are amazing! Do you make any money selling/shooting these? I presume you do and you totally deserve it. Great job!


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Jan 18, 2013 18:56 |  #2853

Haven't posted pictures here for quite a while (I spent almost a month in Europe but did not take my lens with me). But here is a shot from an hour ago.
T4i, 840mm (2x + 1.4x TCs):

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Jan 18, 2013 19:42 as a reply to  @ gabebalazs's post |  #2854

Looks pretty sharp Gabe ;) Why use the t4i instead of the 7d? And why even own both? Unless you really like the swivel screen?


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Jan 18, 2013 19:44 as a reply to  @ gabebalazs's post |  #2855

Sent mine back for the fifth time monday to sigma. This is the third time for the AF going haywire again. They sent me a brand new one yesterday. Put about 100 shots on it. Seems to be on par with my last one on one shot but in ai servo with 2x tc seems to miss focus a little. Could be the fact I was focusing on a slow swimming ducks in ai servo and was holding back button focus in and it didn't know what to do or its just soft at 6.3. I try again tomorrow. I asked about getting the new model and he said he did not know what the price difference was between the two so I told him BH has them for preorder for march at $500 more. But I told him lets see how the new one holds up cause version 2 of this model isn't out yet but if this one dies I want the new model without any money on my end. I said if my new one dies that will be 6 times I've sent in these lens and thats well worth $500 to keep a customer happy. Since I got my canon 500 f/4 is I did not use the siggy since it came back from sigma in september. I tested it with about 25 shots and put it away. Sunday I needed it to take a close up of a owl that I could not get with the 500mm without branches in the way. I needed to be about 5-6 feet and shooting up on a angle at him So monday I went back with the new one and got him. 252 mm f/3.5 1600 iso 5diii


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Jan 18, 2013 19:58 |  #2856

freddyronny wrote in post #15506662 (external link)
Looks pretty sharp Gabe ;) Why use the t4i instead of the 7d? And why even own both? Unless you really like the swivel screen?

Thanks! I used the T4i because of the swivel screen, much easier to use live view when the lens is pointing almost 90 degrees upward. I own both bodies because often I need to use 2 for certain events (plus I almost always use the Rebel when travelling).


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Jan 19, 2013 08:36 |  #2857

Unfortunately my AF has also had problems with the motor slipping. I've sent it off to sigma uk who say that I should get it back within 3 weeks before I head to Africa for a year.

Have people experienced problems even after having the AF fixed?

I'm going to be pretty remote in the middle of the Kalahari for a whole year so I'm really hoping once it's fixed that it stays fixed!

The most annoying thing is how good this lens is when it works as this shot shows:

with 7d and sigma 1.4x tc @ 420mm, f/5, ISO 1600 and almost no cropping

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Jan 19, 2013 08:43 |  #2858

It's early days for mine since repair by Sigma UK, but looking good so far. You might want to re-check your AF microadjustment when it comes back and be sure you're happy throughout the zoom range.

EDIT : Just seen that WEX have the new one on pre-order for a mere £3599.00....

http://www.wexphotogra​phic.com …m-lens-canon-fit/p1534896 (external link)

I'll give it a miss.




  
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Jan 19, 2013 18:50 |  #2859

the AF slippage problem was fixed on mine last April. No problems since. OS was also repaired (replaced?) at the same time, no problems with that either since. Keeping fingers crossed.


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Jan 21, 2013 21:54 |  #2860

The other night I had some time and thought I'd see if there were any recent reviews of this lens out there.
I found a few new ones that I hadn't read before. They were mostly positive, and this time came not from lab testers but from actual wildlife photographers - mostly pros - who wrote articles, blogs about their experience with the lens.

They all generally praised the lens, for its quality, versatility, and unbeatable value. They all added that certainly a shiny new 300mm 2.8 prime from either Nikon or Canon is obviously a little bit better, no surprise there.

Then I came across this "smart a$$" review on Adorama's site. These kind of people always make me upset; I try to ignore them but I just simply can't :)
I'd bet $100 he never ever owned one or even tried one...
After "awarding" 1 out of 5 stars to the lens, here's what he wrote:

"If you want the very best possible image quality , you will need a prime lens. Does not matter if you shoot Canon, Nikon .... A zoom is very convenient when at the sidelines for photos but if using for cropping and enlarging for action photos of events for clients only a dedicated prime from camera manufacturer will give you the best quality you are looking for . The MTF charts look really good on some non dedicated lens but just don't compare to real tools. Let's face it, for the money, GET THE REAL THING , just pay a little more. The difference will amaze you . There is just no free lunch when it comes to lens.
Bottom Line No, I would not recommend this to a friend"



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Jan 22, 2013 04:22 |  #2861

"The difference will amaze you"

-Makes me wonder if he's ever used a camera before.

I had a Nikon 300/2.8 VRII last year and while IQ was great I kept wishing I had a zoom.




  
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Jan 22, 2013 04:38 |  #2862

Some of these images are truly remarkable, especially the end results Gabe is getting with the 2 x ext attached. I gave serious thought to buying this lens, but all these sad tales of AF failure have put me off. The new version promises to have more reliable mechanicals, but pre-orders in the region of £3599, as per TDodd's post above, make the lens a complete non starter. The current version can be purchased new for under £2k. A good used Canon 300mm f/2.8L IS (version 1) can be had for under £3k and will more than likely keep on trucking with no issues for the next ten years.

Personally I love the flexibility of a zoom, and find primes very limiting for the way I like to shoot, which is why I'm hoping the 200-400L isnt more expensive than the 500mm ii. The new version of the 120-300 OS is will need to be epic and completely reliable (barring a few Friday afternoon copies :) ) to warrant the £3.5+k price tag.




  
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Jan 22, 2013 04:48 |  #2863

Bones1974 wrote in post #15518908 (external link)
Some of these images are truly remarkable, especially the end results Gabe is getting with the 2 x ext attached. I gave serious thought to buying this lens, but all these sad tales of AF failure have put me off. The new version promises to have more reliable mechanicals, but pre-orders in the region of £3599, as per TDodd's post above, make the lens a complete non starter. The current version can be purchased new for under £2k. A good used Canon 300mm f/2.8L IS (version 1) can be had for under £3k and will more than likely keep on trucking with no issues for the next ten years. The new version of the 120-300 OS is will need to be epic and completely reliable (barring a few Friday afternoon copies :) ) to warrant the price tag.

I think the price is one of the things that attracts people to this lens. If you compare the price to something that is second hand and that second hand still costs more with a limited warranty makes the Sigma more attractive to some (including me). Used gear normally gets warrantied anywhere from zero days to a year while Sigma EX lenses have 4 year warranties. To top it off older gear will go out of paid support much quicker as well. A couple years down the road you could get stuck with a very expensive paper weight.




  
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Jan 22, 2013 06:21 |  #2864

dgrPhotos wrote in post #15518921 (external link)
I think the price is one of the things that attracts people to this lens. If you compare the price to something that is second hand and that second hand still costs more with a limited warranty makes the Sigma more attractive to some (including me). Used gear normally gets warrantied anywhere from zero days to a year while Sigma EX lenses have 4 year warranties. To top it off older gear will go out of paid support much quicker as well. A couple years down the road you could get stuck with a very expensive paper weight.

I completely understand your view and agree the current version is good value, if you get a reliable one. Chances of the 300 2.8 IS becoming an expensive paper weight are far less than the odds of repeatedly sending a 120-300 back to Sigma for repairs. I don't care how good Sigma's warranties are if I have to keep sending the lens back to them to fix; I'd take my chances with a used Canon. The new version of the 120-300 will be surely be more mechanically reliable, but the proposed price hike negates the attraction unless:

IQ and sharpness, from wide open and at all focal lengths, exceeds or at least matches that of the 70-200 ii (current version does not).
takes extenders well with very little image degradation from a 1.4 x. Current version seems to do well.
AF is at least as quick as the 70-200 ii (Don't know how fast the current one is)
It is mechanically "bullet proof".
sample variation is kept to a minimum/QC is tight.

A £3599 price tag will put in the premium lens category and it should conduct itself as such :D I'm still very interested in the new version, but I'd wait until it drops to at least £3k and see how it pans out as listed above.




  
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Jan 22, 2013 06:34 |  #2865

Bones1974 wrote in post #15518908 (external link)
Some of these images are truly remarkable, especially the end results Gabe is getting with the 2 x ext attached. I gave serious thought to buying this lens, but all these sad tales of AF failure have put me off. The new version promises to have more reliable mechanicals, but pre-orders in the region of £3599, as per TDodd's post above, make the lens a complete non starter. The current version can be purchased new for under £2k. A good used Canon 300mm f/2.8L IS (version 1) can be had for under £3k and will more than likely keep on trucking with no issues for the next ten years.

Personally I love the flexibility of a zoom, and find primes very limiting for the way I like to shoot, which is why I'm hoping the 200-400L isnt more expensive than the 500mm ii. The new version of the 120-300 OS is will need to be epic and completely reliable (barring a few Friday afternoon copies :) ) to warrant the £3.5+k price tag.

Pre-order for £2799 from Clifton Cameras for March delivery....

http://www.cliftoncame​ras.co.uk …APO_OS_S_(New_2​013_Model) (external link)

No doubt prices will drop further a while after release.




  
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