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Jan 21, 2013 12:30 |  #1

I currently own 550d with kit 18-55 is, 70-210 3.5, sig 10-20, nifty fifty.

I shoot mainly landscapes, architecture, street, portraits ( pretty much anything really :D ), i was wondering wether to upgrade my kit lens to maybe the tamron 17-50 2.8 non vc or sigma 17-50 2.8, or would i be better off going for the canon 70-200 f/4 non is, have also been looking at the canon 24-105 L, i had a chance to use the 24-105 and was blown away by the iq, would any of these be a significant upgrade over what i already have regarding iq ? Cheers guys ( and gals ) :D




  
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Jan 21, 2013 13:03 |  #2

I've used both a 24-105 L and a 70-200 f4L non IS and they are both excellent performers on a 550D. The 24-105 was the kit lens from a 5D2 but it spent at least half the time on either a 550D or a 7d and I got some fantastic photos from it. The 70-200 f4 is fantastic for shooting outdoors, I used mine mainly for wildlife, and in decent light. It's a bit slow for low light shots though, as is the 24-105, unless you have flash but the 24-105 is a great range on a crop for a walkaround lens.


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Jan 21, 2013 13:18 as a reply to  @ modchild's post |  #3

Yeah, took 24-105 to Prague last year and was blown away with how different pics looked compared with kit lens, more contrasty, sharper, better res etc, worth saving the extra money instead of the tammy ??




  
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Jan 21, 2013 13:19 |  #4

marko0191 wrote in post #15515912 (external link)
I currently own 550d with kit 18-55 is, 70-210 3.5, sig 10-20, nifty fifty.

I shoot mainly landscapes, architecture, street, portraits ( pretty much anything really :D ), i was wondering wether to upgrade my kit lens to maybe the tamron 17-50 2.8 non vc or sigma 17-50 2.8, or would i be better off going for the canon 70-200 f/4 non is, have also been looking at the canon 24-105 L, i had a chance to use the 24-105 and was blown away by the iq, would any of these be a significant upgrade over what i already have regarding iq ? Cheers guys ( and gals ) :D

While you mentioned a number of fast lenses they mostly have limited wide ends. Depending on your landscape needs you might also want to consider the Canon 10-22mm ultra wide angle lens or the Canon 15-85mm, While neither of these are fast lenses they are both great for landscapes. With regard to the 15-85mm, it covers the half the range of the 10-22 and goes much longer than the fast lenses on your list. It's 15mm also goes noticeably wider then your 17mm choices It is not a great handheld low light lens, but with good light, a tripod, or an external flash, that's not necessarily an issue. Its also has 4 stops of IS, very fast and very quiet USM focusing, excellent IQ, good reach and very good build. Many folks think of it as a 24-105 for crop cameras and a terrific general walk around lens. The 24-105 is also a terrific lens, but it only has 3 stops of IS and doesn't go wide on a crop body. At a constant f/4, it's faster than the 15-85 but will still have limitations in low light. If you want really wide and great IQ for landscapes, consider the Canon 10-22mm.


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Jan 21, 2013 13:32 as a reply to  @ mwsilver's post |  #5

Thanks for that Mark, but, i already have the sigma 10-20 so that covers me for the wide end, guess what im really getting at is my indecision to go for a upgrade to the kit lens first or to go for the 70-200 f/4 :confused:




  
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Jan 21, 2013 17:17 |  #6

I'm a big fan of the 24-105 vs the 17-5x lenses. The focal length breakdown just works better for my types of shooting; and I'd pair the 70-200 with that for a great replacement set for the 18-55/70-210


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Jan 21, 2013 17:41 |  #7

marko0191 wrote in post #15516150 (external link)
Thanks for that Mark, but, i already have the sigma 10-20 so that covers me for the wide end, guess what im really getting at is my indecision to go for a upgrade to the kit lens first or to go for the 70-200 f/4 :confused:

I thought my tamron 17-50 2.8 was easily sharper than the 24-105 I looked at it (24-105 were the least sharp L lenses I have tried).




  
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Jan 21, 2013 20:13 |  #8

I have found my Tamron 17-50 non-VC to be a significant upgrade on the 550D. It stays on the camera most of the time.




  
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Jan 22, 2013 05:01 |  #9

I personally would suggest the 24-105.
Its a great allround lens, with great IQ.

You can use it as a walkaround lesn, for Portraits (long end), and even for Motorsport (Rally, Enduro, etc).
As said, first I would get the 24-105, then after using is, think about wich end you would need upgarding. (If you miss the wide end, get for example a 17-40, if you miss the long end, you can still get a 70-20, or 70-300)


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Jan 22, 2013 06:19 as a reply to  @ NemethR's post |  #10

I'm waiting for mine 24-105mm, should arrive in couple of days.

Some people complain about IQ, and it is indeed not the best IQ L-series has to offer (if you look at charts), but honestly I just don't get. The minor differences between higher image quality L optics are negligible, when you stop pixel peeping, and consider the real life use.
I judge lens by the other qualities also - and it has enough goods to make it a great lens.

Although it doesn't have very good focal range on crop - maybe combining it with your 10-20 does make sense.

You can't go with Tamron 17-50 2.8 btw.


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Jan 22, 2013 06:48 as a reply to  @ Anthon's post |  #11

Thanks for all the input guys, much appreciated, Anthon, why do you say i cant go with the Tamron ??




  
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Jan 22, 2013 09:11 |  #12

"...why do you say i cant go with the Tamron ??"

I don't understand this either. The Tamron 17-50 non-VC will be fine with your camera. I've been using one for years with a 350d, 50d, and 7d. It's a nice lens.


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Jan 22, 2013 09:20 |  #13

I am afraid you'll have to eventually upgrade to both Tamron/Sigma 17-50 (I recommend the Sigma over Tamron - I had both) and Canon 70-200 f4 non-IS. That's what I did anyway :)


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Jan 22, 2013 09:34 |  #14

+1 vote for the 24-105L. I used it for ~14 months on a 600d and loved the results. The extra reach at the long end is wonderful as a travel lens. The only caveat being 24 isn't very wide on a crop; but you have that covered already with your 10-20. Nice 2 lens travel combination. If you want to shoot people often in low light; consider a 17-55 f/2.8 (or equivalent); but if you are ok with potentially using a flash during events; 24-105L is a great lens.

(also, one less thing to upgrade if you ever go FF)


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Jan 22, 2013 09:56 as a reply to  @ w0m's post |  #15

Hmmmmmmm, choices choices choices, think i may go down the 24-105 route, as you say, if ( big if ) i ever move to full frame its one less to upgrade.

but who knows, might win the lottery this week :lol:

Thanks guys, lots of food for thought.




  
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