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Jan 22, 2013 16:40 |  #31

IMHO Canon is right where they want to be. Year after year then continue to outsell the competition, and have stayed very profitable where other competitors, like Sony, loose money.

The Dynamic Range issue IMHO is over-blown. Canon DSLR's have good DR. Is it as good as Nikon (Really Sony), no, but DR is still good.


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Jan 22, 2013 17:03 |  #32

Mornnb wrote in post #15518900 (external link)
I don't really care how much noise there is at ISO 12800, I care how much noise there is when I raise the shadows in a scene with high dynamics. Canon's got to stop prioritising engineering around low noise at high ISO and start focusing on dynamic range.


I'm sure that decision was to appeal to those who do need high ISO capabilities (sports & action photogs). Judging by how people reacted to how good the D3s handled high ISO noise, it sounds like Canon saw the opportunity. I know several people who considered saving money and switching to Nikon (and I considered it too, but a used D3s was going for ~$3500 at the time). One of those friends now has a 5D3 and is extremely happy with the high ISO performance.

I also suspect that there are more users who would love to see high ISO performance than more DR (since the high ISO benefits action shooters and indoor event photographers).

jrmy wrote in post #15521334 (external link)
The 6D is not a missed opportunity because it lacks a more sophisticated AF system; it is a considered a missed opportunity because many members of this forum want a 5D3-like body for 2K or less.

I agree with you on that one. Even with the few things I disagree about the 6D (single SD slot and no joystick), I don't see it as a consumer camera or as a "Super Rebel", and it's obviously targeted at a different audience than the 5D3. If you *need* a 5D3, chances are you can afford it, or you can justify spending that much money.


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Jan 22, 2013 17:34 |  #33

Sometimes the small things make a big difference or at least are perceived that way. Such as non L lenses that come with no hood or case/pouch. Then there are L lenses with no tripod ring! Would it bust your "Balls" to sell high quality accessories with your logo plastered all over them at a very reasonable
price?


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Jan 22, 2013 18:44 |  #34

Jon_Doh wrote in post #15519547 (external link)
These are just a couple of examples that I can think of off the top of my head. But the 5D Mark III and 6D are missing a lot of features that should have been included for what they cost. And so, this is where Canon misses the boat. They expect you to pay top dollar (as in more than a competitive model) for a camera with stripped down features once you leave the 1D arena.

Yes because you are supposed to get all the features of a $6000 camera for $3000 or $2000.... :confused:

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I had expected a pretty level playing field on the AF side. It my opinion that the Sony sensor technology is actually better than canon's but the 7d has a lot of customisation features that mean Its technically more powerful - but it's a lot more work. Canon support is also radically better.
So when I heard the new 6D was coming out had hoped for a full frame version of the 7D, hopefully mirirorless of like the SLT Sony technology.
But from what I ve seen its a less robust ff version of the 7D!
Way off incentivising me to get the cheque book out!

Umm, the 5D3 is the full frame version of the 7D. It's directly based off the 7D's body design, and like the 7D prioritises autofocus ability. Your compliant is essentially nothing more than 'I can't afford a 5D3 so the 6D sucks' The 6D is based on the 60D's body and is really a full frame 60D.


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Jan 22, 2013 18:51 |  #35

This thread needs a lesson on there, their, and they're...

/grammer ****

Canon is fine. They still outsell everyone. Their lenses are top notch, and their camera bodies offer great features at an affordable price.

I wonder if companies go back and forth on who is the top performer just to get people to spend money on changing between the systems every 5-10 years. :)


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Jan 22, 2013 18:56 |  #36

Canon DSLRs in auto modes have no single AF point selection. Nikon has.
What's the point to sell entry level, dowgraded DSLRs like D1100 and have no center point AF in auto modes?


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Jan 22, 2013 19:52 |  #37

I weston I wrote in post #15521834 (external link)
This thread needs a lesson on there, their, and they're...

/grammer ****

Canon is fine. They still outsell everyone. Their lenses are top notch, and their camera bodies offer great features at an affordable price.

I wonder if companies go back and forth on who is the top performer just to get people to spend money on changing between the systems every 5-10 years. :)

Why do you have a coma in front of the word and?


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Jan 22, 2013 20:04 |  #38

I weston I wrote in post #15521834 (external link)
This thread needs a lesson on there, their, and they're...

/grammer ****

(Snip)

The irony is palpable. ;)


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Jan 22, 2013 20:15 |  #39

halitime wrote in post #15522076 (external link)
Why do you have a coma in front of the word and?

Whether to include the serial comma has sparked many arguments. But it's easily answered in favor of inclusion because omitting the final comma may cause ambiguities, whereas including it never will.


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Jan 22, 2013 20:17 |  #40

I disagree about the control layout. I think it makes sense, as they cannot fit as many controls on the xxxD bodies, and the controls get progressively better as you climb the ranks. I agree with others about sensor capability. Nikon, with their sony sources sensors, have much better DR than the current canon equivalents. Hopefully this gets resolved in the next iteration of cameras from canon


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Jan 22, 2013 20:18 |  #41

Mornnb wrote in post #15521813 (external link)
Yes because you are supposed to get all the features of a $6000 camera for $3000 or $2000.... :confused:

Umm, the 5D3 is the full frame version of the 7D. It's directly based off the 7D's body design, and like the 7D prioritises autofocus ability. Your compliant is essentially nothing more than 'I can't afford a 5D3 so the 6D sucks' The 6D is based on the 60D's body and is really a full frame 60D.

facial recognition and in body IS come from $100 consumer pns bodies... when will canonikon give us those features?

edit: how about the t4i autofocus in the 6D?


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Jan 22, 2013 20:26 |  #42

kf095 wrote in post #15521857 (external link)
Canon DSLRs in auto modes have no single AF point selection. Nikon has.
What's the point to sell entry level, dowgraded DSLRs like D1100 and have no center point AF in auto modes?

For reference: I just pulled out my Canon 60D and set it in Program AE, one of the camera's two auto exposure modes, and was able to easily change focus points. There's a good chance that other Canon DSLR's, which typically have two auto exposure modes, the one usually called "green box" mode and Program AE, which is marked with a "P" on the typical control dial, will also let users adjust focus points in Program AE.




  
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Jan 22, 2013 20:31 |  #43

Charlie wrote in post #15522196 (external link)
facial recognition and in body IS come from $100 consumer pns bodies... when will canonikon give us those features?

edit: how about the t4i autofocus in the 6D?

You can't tell what a face looks like through the viewfinder?


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Jan 22, 2013 20:31 |  #44

cputeq007 wrote in post #15522130 (external link)
The irony is palpable. ;)

We are all
Were all

good at something, just not everything. ;)


just a few of my thoughts...
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Jan 22, 2013 20:31 |  #45

AF. In the newer cameras having a "crippled" system to not steal sales from the higher end (6D vs 5D3) but what erks me most about the AF is that the AF points all seem to be clustered around the center of the frame. The only cameras that I have used and been happy with how wide spread the points are were the 1D2 and 1D3. I feel that Canon should spread the AF points to at least match the rule of thirds for composition.


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