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Jan 22, 2013 20:33 |  #46

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Whether to include the serial comma has sparked many arguments. But it's easily answered in favor of inclusion because omitting the final comma may cause ambiguities, whereas including it never will.

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Jan 22, 2013 20:34 |  #47

You know there are technical issues with having focus points closer to the edge right?


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Jan 22, 2013 20:35 as a reply to  @ pbelarge's post |  #48

I shoot with Canon, and plan on staying with Canon unless someone is giving their cameras away.
Why?
Because I do not pixel peek and am happy with most of my images.
Whats the sense of the perfect image out of the camera anyway. Adobe and others would go straight out of business.


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Jan 22, 2013 21:59 |  #49

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Canon is a conservative company; they make conservative decisions when releasing new product. Their camera bodies are clearly targeted for specific users.

I don't take issue with that.

I'm fed up with the **** they "cripple" certain models by "removing" specific features to avoid cannibalizing sales. The 6D is not a missed opportunity because it lacks a more sophisticated AF system; it is a considered a missed opportunity because many members of this forum want a 5D3-like body for 2K or less.

This x100


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Jan 22, 2013 22:02 |  #50

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You can't tell what a face looks like through the viewfinder?

I'm just saying that if you pay thousands for a body, it would be a nice feature...you may think it's a frivolous feature based on your remark, but the 1dx has that feature.


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Jan 23, 2013 03:41 |  #51

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facial recognition and in body IS come from $100 consumer pns bodies... when will canonikon give us those features?

edit: how about the t4i autofocus in the 6D?

Remember that the cheap $100 cameras are almost like video cameas. They a get constant set of frames from the sensor all the time, so it is easy to perform image processing on the image data.

With most DSLR, you only get this kind of data when switching to live view, since the mirror is there and blocking the sensor the rest of the time. And that huge DSLR sensor will also consume much more power than the tiny chips on cheap P&S bodies.

Next thing - it is way easier to shake a tiny sensor compared to a large sensor, if you want mechanical IS. And for digital IS, you need to be able to read out the sensor multiple times during longer exposures, so you can shift the individual image data before you stack it into the final image. That obviously gets harder with a really high-resolution sensor.

So in what way have Canon missed the boat? It isn't really "missing the boat" to have a technical issue to overcome to give you what you want.


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Jan 23, 2013 04:27 |  #52

What about the fact that the T4i/650D has facial recognition in liveview mode. Potentially handy feature that might avoid the need to focus recompose for portraits that was left out of the 6D for no reason.


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Jan 23, 2013 04:58 as a reply to  @ Mornnb's post |  #53

Can anyone show me an image which was taken on a DSLR - not MF or LF - using any other brand than Canon, which could NOT have been taken using an equivalent Canon body and lens?
And of course vice versa?




  
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Jan 23, 2013 07:35 |  #54

Let me find an example to point out how Canon's inferior dynamic range might impact a photo you take.
Here's the problem as this review site points out... you might be doing a landscape photo and have an area entirely in shadows. This is what happens on the 5D3 and D800 when you push the shadow slider in Lightroom all the way to 100 at ISO 100. The D800 has two whole extra stops of range to play with, that is no insignificant amount and means more information and therefore less noise in shadows. This is the only major area where Canon is totally missing the boat I think.

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Jan 23, 2013 08:39 |  #55

Mornnb wrote in post #15523601 (external link)
Let me find an example to point out how Canon's inferior dynamic range might impact a photo you take.
Here's the problem as this review site points out... you might be doing a landscape photo and have an area entirely in shadows. This is what happens on the 5D3 and D800 when you push the shadow slider in Lightroom all the way to 100 at ISO 100. The D800 has two whole extra stops of range to play with, that is no insignificant amount and means more information and therefore less noise in shadows. This is the only major area where Canon is totally missing the boat I think.

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More important to landscape users than portrait users (like me), who favor AF performance and low-light capability. The grass really is greener on the other side. I’ve met a few Nikon users who wish the D800 had the AF system of the 5D Mark III….even met a guy who switched to Canon (5D Mark III) b/c he thought the D800 was ‘slow’, which he mentioned after I was gushing over the D800’s sensor. Also get many comments from Nikon guys who wish Nikon had equivalents to my f1.2 primes

At the end of the day, when you’ve got 6 DSLR’s in your line-up, its impossible to create products that perfectly suit the wants of all consumers at a given price point. There are always compromises that need to be made from a design and from a business standpoint….doesn’t necessarily mean that Canon ‘missed the boat’

Part of me wishes that the performance of Canon’s sensors could match the Nikon/Sony sensors, but another part of me knows that in reality, I’m chasing stats on paper, and not necessarily a material difference in real world performance (at least for what I shoot). Ie, I’ll outshoot a mediocre photog on a D800 all day on my ‘inferior’ 5D Mark III.


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Jan 23, 2013 08:47 |  #56

Mornnb wrote in post #15523601 (external link)
Let me find an example to point out how Canon's inferior dynamic range might impact a photo you take.
Here's the problem as this review site points out... you might be doing a landscape photo and have an area entirely in shadows. This is what happens on the 5D3 and D800 when you push the shadow slider in Lightroom all the way to 100 at ISO 100. The D800 has two whole extra stops of range to play with, that is no insignificant amount and means more information and therefore less noise in shadows. This is the only major area where Canon is totally missing the boat I think.

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All smoke and mirrors............... SHOW me an example (as I requested in my original post).
I suspect that no-one can.




  
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Jan 23, 2013 09:15 |  #57

Mornnb wrote in post #15521813 (external link)
Umm, the 5D3 is the full frame version of the 7D. It's directly based off the 7D's body design, and like the 7D prioritises autofocus ability. Your compliant is essentially nothing more than 'I can't afford a 5D3 so the 6D sucks' The 6D is based on the 60D's body and is really a full frame 60D.

Unfortunately the 6D AF system is a step down from the 60D and the t4i (1 cross point sensor vs. 9). No other way to put it, the 6D AF system is pathetic by design. If they had just used the 60D AF system I think most users would be OK with it, but instead they put in a system barely better than the 5D II.

Absolutely no doubt Canon missed the boat on this one; a $600 Rebel has a better AF system than the new $2000 FF camera.


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Jan 23, 2013 09:27 |  #58

jrbdmb wrote in post #15523886 (external link)
Unfortunately the 6D AF system is a step down from the 60D and the t4i (1 cross point sensor vs. 9). No other way to put it, the 6D AF system is pathetic by design. If they had just used the 60D AF system I think most users would be OK with it, but instead they put in a system barely better than the 5D II.

Absolutely no doubt Canon missed the boat on this one; a $600 Rebel has a better AF system than the new $2000 FF camera.

You're missing one thing though, which is the 6D's -3 EV autofocus. It's actually superior to the 5D3 and even 1DX in very low light conditions of the sort you'll be shooting at above ISO 6400. That makes it a much more useful AF system than the 60D's. I think this is a much better design choice than giving it a Rebels AF system.

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All smoke and mirrors............... SHOW me an example (as I requested in my original post).
I suspect that no-one can.

Okay, here's another example I found from this site. Architecture photography, a residential house with a shadowed porch.
http://www.fredmiranda​.com …dex_controlled-tests.html (external link)

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Taking something this dark:
IMAGE: http://www.fredmiranda.com/5DIII-D800/t/before-shadow-push-2.jpg

And raising the shadows to something usable.
You get this with the 5D3.
IMAGE: http://www.fredmiranda.com/5DIII-D800/t/canon-mk3-2.jpg

And this with the D800.
IMAGE: http://www.fredmiranda.com/5DIII-D800/t/nikon-2.jpg

Now there is a way around this of course which is to use HDR. But the point is with the higher dynamic range sensor on the Nikon you don't even have to.

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Jan 23, 2013 09:28 |  #59

PaulB wrote in post #15523772 (external link)
All smoke and mirrors............... SHOW me an example (as I requested in my original post).
I suspect that no-one can.

That HAS shown you. Thats exactly the major jump that Sony and Nikon have made while Canon has been sleeping. Search here because theres been at least one post where a Nikon user proudly showed us his low noise and high DR images.


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Jan 23, 2013 09:54 |  #60

PaulB wrote in post #15523772 (external link)
All smoke and mirrors............... SHOW me an example (as I requested in my original post).
I suspect that no-one can.

Easy. We can't.

Why? Because you will reject any samples posted as irrelevant.


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