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Nov 09, 2010 22:02 |  #1
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I'm not sure if this has been posted or not, so here it goes. Its a blog that deals with current info on Law, photographers etc. Interesting stuff.

http://www.pixiq.com/c​ontributors/248 (external link)

here is one of the stories

Philly Transit Cops Add Photog to Terrorist Database

While some of us celebrated the fact that the Department of Homeland Security acknowledged last week that photographing public buildings is legal, most of us are unaware that the DHS is creating a national database of people committing “suspicious activity.”

This, of course, includes photographers.

Pennsylvania photographer Scott Frederick reports on his blog that he was confronted on Tuesday by two Philadelphia Transit police officers as he was taking pictures on his way down the stairs into the city’s subway.

The officers demanded his identification, informing him that he was going to be added to the “Terrorism Data Base.”

I asked if it was against the law to photograph in the underground, and he said some song and dance about the Madrid bombings, etc. I figured I was going to receive a citation or a warning. I was asked for ID, and I cooperated with the officer. He then began to tell me how I was going to be added to the Terrorism Data Base. I couldn’t believe my ears, but I didn’t want to start any trouble.

This database is described in detail on the Center for Investigative Reporting.

Federal officials are closer to establishing what amounts to a nationwide database of so-called “suspicious activity reports” that describe possible evidence of terrorist attack planning. Reports will be submitted not just by state and local police and agencies within the Department of Homeland Security, but also private corporations that control economic and infrastructure assets considered high-profile targets for terrorists.

A required public notice surfaced one day before the nine-year anniversary of Sept. 11 confirming that DHS would be finished implementing its own internal database of suspicious activity reports by mid-October. Contents will flow in from DHS personnel at the Coast Guard, Border Patrol, Transportation Security Administration and other agencies housed in the department.

I guess the thing to do is to refuse to provide identification if you know you are not breaking the law.

This could get you arrested — even though there is no legal basis for it — but it could also overwhelm the officers into releasing you, as we have seen in the past.

*if this is the wrong section for this, please feel free to move it to the right one.. thanks


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Nov 09, 2010 23:22 |  #2

Hilarious. I'm sure the data will be analysed. if you're stopped a few times (say, taking night pictures every day for a week), that's a trend and cause for investigation.


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Nov 09, 2010 23:22 |  #3

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Nov 11, 2010 08:04 as a reply to  @ jpc271's post |  #4

Just typical of generally, poorly informed security personnel. However, I once saw a bumper sticker on a backpack of a kid walking down the street that read, 'Skateboarding is not a crime'. My first thought was; neither is sex but, depending on where you do it and who you're doing it with, it may be.

If you are sticking a 600mm lens through the fence at the White House with your Muslim friends you might garner some attention. If you're standing across the street with a 50mm lens, you would probably go unnoticed. Shooting in/around public transportation hubs, that have been known to be targets of attacks, could, very well, get you noticed.


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Nov 11, 2010 08:15 |  #5

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If you are sticking a 600mm lens through the fence at the White House with your Muslim friends you might garner some attention. If you're standing across the street with a 50mm lens, you would probably go unnoticed.

Trust me, do either one of those at the WH and you have already been scoped by secret service...and I dont mean with a spotting scope either, I mean one attached to a high powered rifle...notice that very nice man on the roof of the Wh....he aint there to enjoy the sights...;)


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Jan 22, 2013 13:47 |  #6

New video clips from Carlos Miller >>>

http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=R6jPq5QJKHc (external link)

http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=OCEltE1YCtI (external link)

I was attacked, choked, suffocated and handcuffed by 50 State security guards for shooting video on the Miami-Dade Metrorail Sunday night, escalating a pending state lawsuit into a possible federal suit.

As you will see in the above video, they tried to push me down the escalator and I shoved back in order to defend myself, which prompted at least three security guards to pounce on me, including one security guard named R. Myers who violently choked me to the point where I thought I was going to die.

I was video recording on my iPhone and my friend was recording on his camera. Both of us ended up handcuffed and detained until City of Miami and Miami-Dade police arrived, both who knew right away who I was.

We were released an hour later with a $100 citation accusing us of “producing loud or excessive noise,” which is a lie.

My friend, who is visiting from California, was taking a picture of the Dade County Courthouse as we were waiting for the southbound train to go back to my place.

I was taking a photo of him, taking a photo of the building for possibly uploading to Facebook. We were joking that it probably looked real gay, me kneeling in front of him as he took a photo.

We were not yelling or making any kind of noise.

A 50 State security guard announced on the loudspeaker to stop taking photos. He then came out to confront us. I switched my iPhone to video record and walked up to him.

He said it was illegal to photograph the rail portion of the train, which, of course, is complete hogwash. He then accused me of being drunk. I had three drinks in two hours while watching football and I am not a lightweight.

They then told me I had to leave the Metrorail because I was drunk and I refused because I had not done anything illegal. I just wanted to take the train home.

And I wasn’t drunk. He didn’t notice I had been drinking until he got close to me and he smelled something.

But as they started crowding me, I started walking towards the escalator.

At the top of the escalator, one of them shoved me hard as if to push me down the escalator, which is when I shoved back.

Then three of them piled on top of me, including one choking me where I couldn’t even breathe, leaving me gasping for air.

When R. Myer walked up to us, I was hoping he would de-escalate the situation but he escalated completely.

He is a tall black man who wears a USMC logo on his name badge. He was the one choking me. He wouldn’t have hesitated to kill me.

I can only imagine how many complaints he has had against him.

Surprisingly, they returned my phone and my friend’s camera to me as I was handcuffed, placing them in my pockets.

Miami-Dade police officer Luis Fernandez, who is familiar with this blog and agreed that Nancy Perez made a horrible witness, even made it a point to say they didn’t delete my footage.

Below is a video of my injuries. I am in a lot of pain right now. I would like to visit a hospital but I am way too tired and I don’t have insurance anyway.

I have a history of getting assaulted and harassed by 50 State which is why I’m already suing them. But it’s never been as bad as this one.

Here is my friend’s account of the incident:

It’s tough to stand up for your constitutional rights. And it’s tough to stand up to authority.

I’m glad I have Carlos to do it for me – and that’s why I support him.

When I told people I was going to Miami to visit Carlos, one of my dearest friends, people joked about not bailing me out.

But I didn’t think twice when Carlos suggested taking the Metrorail after watching the Ravens game. And what’s the worst that could happen when at the Government Center station we walked to the end of the platform to take a photo of the art deco courthouse.

Things changed so quickly. A voice on the PA said something about stop taking pictures and a couple of security guards came. They immediately said we couldn’t take pictures of the rail and we had to leave. After some tense back and forth, Carlos slowly made his way to the escalator. Then the guards shoved him and started to try to put the cuffs on – as he stepped on to the escalator. They all tumbled to the metal steps toward me. Gutierrez stopped helping subdue Carlos, inexplicably to grab my camera. He knocked it out of my hands and it turned off. But I grabbed it and turned it back on to capture Myers with Carlos in a choke hold, Carlos’ shirt was ripped and his shoes were off.

Soon I was handcuffed and so was Carlos. I had never been in handcuffs before – and though the guards and the police were gentle with me – the cuffs still bruised my wrists and strained my back. I was really afraid of what was going to happen – and I was barely involved. But I felt guilty for just being there with Carlos. I felt guilty for taking photos in a public place in the land of the free and the home of the brave. And I was scared because I had been a witness to what happened – abuse of power under the color of the law. In the end, Carlos was assaulted – not because he broke any laws – but because he didn’t do what he was told. As if we were in an Eastern Bloc country during the Cold War.

When Perez finally heard the name of the founder of PhotographyIsNotaCrime​.com, he repeated it like cuss words – “Carlos Miller.”

Of course they didn’t cite us for the crime of photography. Not for intoxication (which we weren’t) or even trespassing. But after more than an hour in cuffs, the Miami-Dade officers argued about the charge (speaking in Spanish sometimes) until deciding that we would be charged with being loud.


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Jan 22, 2013 14:44 |  #7

amoergosum wrote in post #15520634 (external link)
New video clips from Carlos Miller >>>

http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=R6jPq5QJKHc (external link)

I love it when people... including photographers... purposely bait security personnel and the police. Yeah, they were there to photograph the courthouse... at night... with a point & shoot. :rolleyes:

They're the ones who come off looking like idiots and jerks.


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Jan 22, 2013 14:54 |  #8

Geez, how would they go in NYC?? I have never seen so many people with cameras in one place in my life as when we visited there. They'd have their hands full that is for sure!


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Jan 22, 2013 15:01 |  #9

I don't know, I think some of my shots are a crime, against photography...


  
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Jan 23, 2013 12:05 |  #10

mpix345 wrote in post #15520964 (external link)
I don't know, I think some of my shots are a crime, against photography...

!!!:D:D




  
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Jan 23, 2013 12:24 |  #11

LV Moose wrote in post #15520874 (external link)
I love it when people... including photographers... purposely bait security personnel and the police. Yeah, they were there to photograph the courthouse... at night... with a point & shoot. :rolleyes:

They're the ones who come off looking like idiots and jerks.

Not so much. They're the ones holding these *******s accountable for their actions. I have no respect for "bully cops" and even less for mall cops.


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