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Jan 23, 2013 22:14 |  #1

Hey, I'm fairly new to the 85L and love it but wondering what long time owners have found about the minimum shutter speed to get sharp photos hand-held in low light. Can you cheat on the reciprocal rule at all or do you need to overcompensate?

Please share.


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Jan 23, 2013 22:35 |  #2

Yes you can cheat it... improve the way you hold your camera.

I can hand hold 1/30 @ 200mm on my 70-200 and still get a sharp image.

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Jan 23, 2013 22:48 |  #3

I shake like a leaf.. 1/FL doesn't work for me.. @35mm, I can get away with maybe 1/60, usually I go to 1/80. 85mm I'm at 160.. @135 160 is the bare minimum, I like to be at 1/200 or higher. IS does obviously helps me quite a bit, though I don't have any IS lenses at the moment.

I've found silent mode on the 5D3 helps, also.


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Jan 23, 2013 22:54 |  #4

Depends how far my subject is. If it is farther away then it is a little harder to stay steady, so I would not go below the 1/80 rule. Closer subjects I think I've gone as far as 1/60th but it can be hit or miss.


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Jan 23, 2013 22:59 |  #5
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Christina.DazzleByDesi​gn wrote in post #15526774 (external link)
Depends how far my subject is. If it is farther away then it is a little harder to stay steady, so I would not go below the 1/80 rule. Closer subjects I think I've gone as far as 1/60th but it can be hit or miss.

Shouldn't this be the other way around?

Further subject means you automatically gain dof, also it's harder to spot the blur due to slight shakes, whereas it's much easier if subject is close and fill up the frame more.


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Jan 23, 2013 23:10 |  #6

kin2son wrote in post #15526786 (external link)
Shouldn't this be the other way around?

Further subject means you automatically gain dof, also it's harder to spot the blur due to slight shakes, whereas it's much easier if subject is close and fill up the frame more.

True, maybe I had it confused with longer tele's with no IS - sorry, its late here. That said, the 85L lets in so much light if you use it wide open, I don't usually have to worry about shutter speed unless its a very poorly lit area.


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Jan 23, 2013 23:26 |  #7

VirtualRain wrote in post #15526659 (external link)
Hey, I'm fairly new to the 85L and love it but wondering what long time owners have found about the minimum shutter speed to get sharp photos hand-held in low light. Can you cheat on the reciprocal rule at all or do you need to overcompensate?

Please share.

i can but maybe you can't. it's very personal.


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Jan 24, 2013 07:13 |  #8

There is no lens which is an exception the the rule of thumb, except for IS lenses!

The rule of thumb for APS-C format cameras is 1/(FL*1.6)

But then, as BrandonSi is an example of, there are the expected deviations from the rule of thumb based upon

  • personal capability,
  • level of fatigue, or
  • even how your blood sugar is at a given point in time!


...and that is why some folks are better with rifles at the target range than others...the level of personal shakiness that each of us embodies.

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Jan 24, 2013 17:45 |  #9

kin2son wrote in post #15526786 (external link)
Shouldn't this be the other way around?

Further subject means you automatically gain dof, also it's harder to spot the blur due to slight shakes, whereas it's much easier if subject is close and fill up the frame more.

Its not a DoF issue. Take a picture of a house at 85mm from 100' feet away. If you move downward 1mm, the house will be a little blurred. Now take the same shot from 1000' away. If you still drop 1mm, that 1mm equals a much greater proportion of the house, so it will be more blurred.


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Jan 24, 2013 18:08 as a reply to  @ 1Tanker's post |  #10

This lens really needs IS badly


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Jan 24, 2013 18:44 |  #11

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This lens really needs IS badly

But can you imagine the price? I find myself pretty steady with it, IS is not something that has ever really crossed my mind when using it. Always useful, sure, but an expensive add on.


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Jan 24, 2013 18:49 |  #12

I'm shaky too, even with proper form. I get probably 1 in 3 shots perfectly sharp @ 1/80. I get 2/3 sharp @ 1/160, and almost always sharp any higher than that.


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Jan 24, 2013 23:06 |  #13

VirtualRain,

This is a difficult answer to pin down, because it all depends on the person, their physical state at the time, and the aperture and distance to your subject. All three can be wildly variable.

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Jan 24, 2013 23:17 |  #14

Thanks for your thoughts. I normally shoot pics of my GF with this lens in various dim environments when we go out. I almost exclusively use Av mode (and adjust aperture between f/1.2 and f/2). I also use auto ISO (which can vary from 1600 to 25600 depending on the ambient light). On the 5D3 you can set the min shutter speed on auto ISO to 1/60 or 1/125. Now, I could set this to 1/60 and the I suppose the camera will try to set exposure to at least 1/80 (1/FL) unless its really dark, or I could over compensate to be safe and set this to 1/125 but then I might be sacrificing some noise as the camera may need to use a higher ISO.


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Jan 24, 2013 23:31 |  #15

VirtualRain wrote in post #15530940 (external link)
Thanks for your thoughts. I normally shoot pics of my GF with this lens in various dim environments when we go out. I almost exclusively use Av mode (and adjust aperture between f/1.2 and f/2). I also use auto ISO (which can vary from 1600 to 25600 depending on the ambient light). On the 5D3 you can set the min shutter speed on auto ISO to 1/60 or 1/125. Now, I could set this to 1/60 and the I suppose the camera will try to set exposure to at least 1/80 (1/FL) unless its really dark, or I could over compensate to be safe and set this to 1/125 but then I might be sacrificing some noise as the camera may need to use a higher ISO.

A noisy photo beats an out of focus or blurred one. At least you can do some post processing to clean up the noise... no post processing can help an oof or blurred shot. ;)


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