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Jan 24, 2013 16:53 |  #8701

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Jan 24, 2013 20:56 |  #8702

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Yup it worked like a charm, it appears to leak thru the side I took it apart to see if it stuck in. It seems like its not as tight as the other 2 woods I have. the Plunger slowly just looses pressure.

I think I know what's wrong with it, PM me.


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Jan 24, 2013 23:05 |  #8703

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Cool, you can not see it? :cool:

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awesome shot but i can see the pole in the hood.




  
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Jan 25, 2013 04:19 |  #8704

It's not what one'd call bright, but I guess I like it the way it is. Hope you like it too

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Jan 25, 2013 06:46 |  #8705

czeslawo wrote in post #15531385 (external link)
It's not what one'd call bright, but I guess I like it the way it is. Hope you like it too
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looks good to me.




  
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Jan 27, 2013 00:15 |  #8706

Piping I figured out, Right now I am trying to figure out how to connect the suction cups to the clamps. I am getting these suction cups, the worst part is that they have 1/4" screw. http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …MB_Super_Grip_J​unior.html (external link)

I have heard bad stories of the F1000 failing.

The suction cups are slowing me down because I do not know how to find a way to mount them to the clamps. The suction cup closest to the camera, I would like to have it raised up, like an extension from the suction cup to the clamp to raise up the pole/boom so I can get higher shots.

Someone help me?


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Jan 27, 2013 11:24 |  #8707

You should be able to go down to your local hardware store and get a connector nut. They have them in different lengths. Something likes this.

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But I have the avengers and I have never had one fail, and having a set up with connector nuts can't be anywhere near as good as the set up thats on the avengers.

If you do still go that route, I would make sure you loctite them to make sure they dont come loose on you, and you can get nuts that connect different sizes so you should have some options on what to use for a pin to connect your clamp too. I would do some tests on something ohter then a car first though, just to make sure everything is good.

If all else fails, just take the cup and the clamp down to your local hardware store and show them what you want to do, seems to work for me and quite a bit of the time they have really good ideas.

Hope this helps at least a little bit.

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Jan 27, 2013 11:33 |  #8708

Of course, you almost have to have some way to swivel your clamp. I imagine you can probably find something on B&H, they have all kinds of cool stuff.


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Jan 30, 2013 09:20 |  #8709

This is probably the hardest rig shot I have had to try and clone to date.... I don't think its a patch on what some of you guys are doing on here but I'm quite happy with it :)

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Jan 30, 2013 13:10 |  #8710

Here is a re-edit of a shot I did last year.

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Jan 30, 2013 18:28 |  #8711

Keedo wrote in post #15538512 (external link)
Piping I figured out, Right now I am trying to figure out how to connect the suction cups to the clamps. I am getting these suction cups, the worst part is that they have 1/4" screw. http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …MB_Super_Grip_J​unior.html (external link)
...

They are readilly available in 3/8th threads so why are you making like hard by buying the wrong item in the first place? Makes no sense to me. By the way, you can replace the top housing of those cups with other fittings, such as a 3/8th thread. Go to the Woods website to see what's available.

Keedo wrote in post #15538512 (external link)
...I have heard bad stories of the F1000 failing...

If you have ONLY heard bad stories about Avenger/Manfrotto then you have very selective hearing. They have been an industry standard for a very long time, work very well, and will continue to do so. However, all vacuum cups fail eventually, regardless of the size, shape, model etc. I've used both Avenger/Manfrotto and various Woods cups for a very long time and they are simply different, not better or worse then each other. The Avenger/Manfrotto are stiffer so have less movement and better suited for some types of work. The Woods have a softer, more flexible, pad which can be handy when fitting to a curved surface.

It's total rubbish that one is better than the other, they are just different. Any one telling you otherwise is selling you something.

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Jan 30, 2013 19:08 |  #8712

SMRimage wrote in post #15551709 (external link)
This is probably the hardest rig shot I have had to try and clone to date.... I don't think its a patch on what some of you guys are doing on here but I'm quite happy with it :)

1st shot is SOOC other than the plate.
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can you post a picture of your cup setup? i like the way that looks for adjusting height.




  
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Jan 30, 2013 19:08 |  #8713

jjphoto wrote in post #15553882 (external link)
They are readilly available in 3/8th threads so why are you making like hard by buying the wrong item in the first place? Makes no sense to me. By the way, you can replace the top housing of those cups with other fittings, such as a 3/8th thread. Go to the Woods website to see what's available.

If you have ONLY heard bad stories about Avenger/Manfrotto then you have very selective hearing. They have been an industry standard for a very long time, work very well, and will continue to do so. However, all vacuum cups fail eventually, regardless of the size, shape, model etc. I've used both Avenger/Manfrotto and various Woods cups for a very long time and they are simply different, not better or worse then each other. The Avenger/Manfrotto are stiffer so have less movement and better suited for some types of work. The Woods have a softer, more flexible, pad which can be handy when fitting to a curved surface.

It's total rubbish that one is better than the other, they are just different. Any one telling you otherwise is selling you something.

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100% agree.




  
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Jan 31, 2013 07:43 |  #8714

jjphoto wrote in post #15553882 (external link)
It's total rubbish that one is better than the other, they are just different. Any one telling you otherwise is selling you something.

jp450r wrote in post #15554004 (external link)
100% agree.

100% disagree.

Avenger F1000: made for FLAT surfaces only
Woods: made for curved surfaces

Avenger F1000: holds 4.41 lbs
Woods: holds 71 lbs

Avenger F1000: pump is known to fail
Woods: never heard of a single failure, ever

Avenger F1000: swivel is made into the cup
Woods: swivel is detachable so you can add an extension

The only negative I have ever seen from a Woods cup is a manufacturing defect that happens sometimes where there is a small slit in the sealing ring, which doesn't allow it to seal. Woods will replace this, end of story.

The fact of the matter is that the Manfrotto is conusmer-grade, and the Woods is film-industry-grade, and that is all the difference in the world.

Moral of the story is, the Manfrotto will work, but is far from optimal for rig-shots. I have seen many get away with using the Manfrotto because they were using a super light (and inadequate) boom, but once you use a pro-grade boom (unless you break the bank on carbon fiber), the odds are massively for you having an issue. To me, this is worth the difference in price, so I use only Woods cups on my rig-shots.


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Jan 31, 2013 14:20 as a reply to  @ VisualEchos's post |  #8715

Ive got both and they are very very different

I've never had a manf fail in use, but you do need to keep an eye on the suction pump to enusre its got full grip and it likes a very flat surface or it wont grip - this makes me a little uneasy when working at the long end of the pole

The woods hold better and will take on a slight curve, ive never had to repump one while working - you can set them and knw they wont give

Really you only need to see the weight rating to know how different they are Manf rated at 4lb and woods at 71lb

I have nothing to sell either, so here is somebody who produces rig shots and is telling you that woods are better without selling you anything ;-)a

But as with all things rig related if cash is an issue and your doing this for fun then the cheaper option may well be good enough for you

I suspect as you get in to it and want to get further away from the car or more agressive with your shots or are working on other peoples car where lost grip on a pump means paying to have repairs done, then the woods will seem more attractive


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