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Thread started 31 Jan 2013 (Thursday) 08:14
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POLL: "Which Method Do You Use To Focus"
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How Do You Focus?

 
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Feb 01, 2013 15:47 |  #91

waterrockets wrote in post #15561219 (external link)
Posting a picture taken in focus with AF doesn't have anything to do with Hogloff's preference. To act like one couldn't take a given shot w/out AF is a ridiculous argument as well. Some people have better hand-eye coordination than others. Don't be offended by that fact.

It was in reference to him saying MF works for events/moving things. Maybe it does, I just would like to see what kind of keeper rate folks get with MF in those situations. For what I shoot AF nails 98% of the shots and I see no issues in using it. This is with f1.4-f2.8 glass. I rarely shoot f4 or slower.


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Feb 01, 2013 15:49 |  #92
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EverydayGetaway wrote in post #15561290 (external link)
I've heard that the only drawback is that it makes the screen darker... is it noticeably darker? I'm coming from a T2i so I'm sure even if the 6D's screen is slightly darker with the EG-S it'll still be brighter than the VF in my T2i. I'm also wondering how autofocusing works with the EG-S screen... but I don't want to fill this thread with off topic junk if it's going to offend people, so if someone wants to PM me, that'd be awesome! :)

I did not see any difference in AF with or without the EG-S screen. You do need to set the config parameter to indicate you are using the EG-S screen to ensure exposure is not affected.

Yes, it is a little darker...more noticable with slow lens like f4 or f5.6

I have not spent enough time with a 6D to see how bright the viewfinder is, but the 5D2 is quite bright...much nicer than my 7D. I think the jump from the T2i to the 6D will counter any loss of light you might experience with the EG-S screen.




  
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Feb 01, 2013 16:08 |  #93

The autofocus light path is different that the light path that illuminates the focus screen. As mentioned, exposure will change, but not AF.


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Feb 01, 2013 16:09 |  #94

360° wrote in post #15561310 (external link)
I never said mf was wrong.

That's not what I said. I'm saying that Hogloff never said AF was wrong...

bobbyz wrote in post #15561335 (external link)
It was in reference to him saying MF works for events/moving things. Maybe it does, I just would like to see what kind of keeper rate folks get with MF in those situations. For what I shoot AF nails 98% of the shots and I see no issues in using it. This is with f1.4-f2.8 glass. I rarely shoot f4 or slower.

I think "events" could mean weddings too. I agree though -- my 1D3 AF is awesome for me, and I don't have the skills or needs to go MF for sports.

It certainly can be done, though...
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Feb 01, 2013 16:25 |  #95

The only time manual focus is useful in sports is when prefocusing a remote camera.


Otherwise manual focus is for hipsters :)


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Feb 01, 2013 18:42 as a reply to  @ 360°'s post |  #96

Hogloff wrote in post #15561347 (external link)
I did not see any difference in AF with or without the EG-S screen. You do need to set the config parameter to indicate you are using the EG-S screen to ensure exposure is not affected.

Yes, it is a little darker...more noticable with slow lens like f4 or f5.6

I have not spent enough time with a 6D to see how bright the viewfinder is, but the 5D2 is quite bright...much nicer than my 7D. I think the jump from the T2i to the 6D will counter any loss of light you might experience with the EG-S screen.

Awesome, that's sort of what I figured. I plan on getting some Manual only lenses in the future so this was really important to me :D


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Feb 01, 2013 21:54 |  #97
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EverydayGetaway wrote in post #15561923 (external link)
Awesome, that's sort of what I figured. I plan on getting some Manual only lenses in the future so this was really important to me :D

If you want some cheap but excellent image quality MF lens, take a look at the Olympus Zuiko lens in particular the wide primes.




  
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Feb 02, 2013 01:42 |  #98

bobbyz wrote in post #15559763 (external link)
would love to see some moving, running kids shots or how about some field sports. If shooting dead things then I agree.

I shoot sports...seriously, you realize that autofocus has not always been around, right?


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Feb 02, 2013 01:47 |  #99

gjl711 wrote in post #15559933 (external link)
If you always use manual focus, why the 7D and 5DMkIII? They are pretty much a 50D and 5DMkII but with vastly improved auto focus, which you don't use? Just curious.

Seriously? The 7d for the fast burst rate and better ergonomics. Better high iso than the 50d as well by far. 5D mark III has a lot of features over the Mark II. The 5D Mark II's image quality is crap above ISO3200. The 7d gives better image quality at ISO 6400 than the Mark II. As for the Mark III, I get images as clean as the Mark II's at 3200 at ISO12800 on the Mark III. It also has faster burst, better ergonomics, dual card slots, etc. The 5d Mark III is a FAR better camera than the Mark II in every possible way. If I need my wife to help shoot, both the 7d and 5d Mark III have great autofocus for her.


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Feb 02, 2013 01:51 |  #100

Hogloff wrote in post #15562507 (external link)
If you want some cheap but excellent image quality MF lens, take a look at the Olympus Zuiko lens in particular the wide primes.

I've already been drooling over the manual lens picture thread and thinking of getting either the Zuiko 50mm or the Takumar 50mm... or I might dish out more for the Zeiss Planar 50mm/1.4. I'll have to see how I like using it first when I get the 6D :cool:

Right now the only manual only lens I have is my 8mm Bower and I love it, I definitely plan on getting the 14mm UWA from Samyang once I upgrade :)


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Feb 02, 2013 01:57 |  #101

360° wrote in post #15561310 (external link)
I never said mf was wrong.

I just can't understand why anyone would do it.

There is no way manual focus can be as fast and precise as auto focus.

I know for a fact there's no way I could track a professional hockey player manually with my 300 f2.8; and I see no reason why I would ever do that. Auto focus is perfect on it

I shoot a lot of cycling, rodeo's, airshows, etc. There is a method to the madness once you figure it out. It's like back button focus to some extent.

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Feb 02, 2013 03:26 |  #102

Concerning the poll, I use BBAF when I autofocus. I have center point dedicated to the AF-ON button, and selected point (controlled by the joystick) dedicated to the * button.

Most anything on a tripod that is static (eg landscapes), I use live view manual focus with 10X mag.

I also have a manual focus lens (Samyang 14mm) that I obviously manual focus with.

I think I need to play around more with live view contrast detect (live mode) and face recognition. I don't do much of that.




  
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Feb 02, 2013 08:19 as a reply to  @ billythek's post |  #103

I understand AF didn't always exist, and digital didn't always exist. I can't imagine the pressure those guys were under.

But now that it does exist and it's extremely good, why would you risk it for sports? No one is gonna pay you more if you auto focus. So why put the added stress of another thing that you have to think about?

I prefer keeping it simple and using all of the available features to my advantage


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Feb 02, 2013 08:32 |  #104

I'm a convert since last year. I shoot everything from portraits to sports to critters using the AF-ON button




  
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Feb 02, 2013 09:11 |  #105

I have to use #1, as much as I would like #2 I don't have good use of my thumb or right hand for that matter(crushed in a machine @ work). Heck, sometimes I have a hard time keeping the camera still just pushing the shutter button, but I don't let it stop me from doing something I love.


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