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Feb 03, 2013 11:37 |  #1

I have 5DII and am thinking of getting back into wildlife. Nothing too fast moving mostly deer, squirrels or birds sitting and not in flight.

Currently have 70-200 F4 and 135mm F2.

Current thinking is .....

Buy a 2x extender and keep current lenses. This would give me 270 at F4 on 135 and 400 at F8 (center point focus but I usually use that anyway) on 70-200.nice and cheap and OK if good light. Reduced IQ.

Or sell 70-200 and buy 100-400 F4.5-5.6 L. Better zoom lens

Or sell 70-200 and buy 400 F5.6L. I then have two primes at 135 and 400 .... Will need to move about to get the right in camera crop. Best IQ.

Your thoughts are appreciated.


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Feb 03, 2013 11:46 |  #2

For my next lens, I'm also considering the 400 prime or the 100-400 you mentioned. I'll probably choose the 100-400, due to the IS.

But selling my 70-200 f/4L IS? Couldn't bring myself to do it. That lens is a peach!

Extender: I'd opt for a 1.4X vice 2X. Less reduction in IQ.


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Feb 03, 2013 11:56 |  #3

I thought the 135 only liked the 1.4 extenders? Could be wrong. I would not slap a x2 on the 70-200, you will have a huge loss of iq and having f8 won't do you any good either. I think your best option will be to save up and get a 300 f4 IS/non IS or 400 f5.6 or 100-400. That way you are not getting rid of something you use for something you may use.


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Feb 03, 2013 12:16 |  #4

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I thought the 135 only liked the 1.4 extenders?

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My Kenko 1.4X works very well with my 70-200.

edit: I thought you said, "I thought only the 135 liked the 1.4 extenders?"


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Feb 03, 2013 14:02 |  #5

unless you're dead set on only wildlife, i wouldn't sell the 70-200f4 to fund something else...

look at an old sigma 50-500mm since it seems like you're not wanting to spend that much...it'd be better than extenders on your current lenses


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Feb 03, 2013 14:55 |  #6

Little tricky to find a good copy of 100-400. But once you are there, you know that's the lens for you.


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Feb 03, 2013 15:04 |  #7

I have a 60D with 100-400 that I use for airshows and wildlife. They work very well, but on occasion I still need more reach. I have tried the Kenko 1.4x TC but the results are not acceptable (for me) on the 100-400. The TC does work very well with my 200F2.8.

On FF, you will be looking for all the reach you can get. Maybe an APS-C body would be better?


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Feb 03, 2013 15:12 |  #8

skycolt wrote in post #15568266 (external link)
Little tricky to find a good copy of 100-400. But once you are there, you know that's the lens for you.

Dear Board,

Like the OP I too am looking for a lens for wildlife like deer, bear, etc.

Comments like this one leave me scratching my head every time I see them, and make it extremely difficult to decide between Canon and 3rd party lens offerings.

The 100-400L is a $ 1700.00 lens for God's sake, you shouldn't have to buy and exchange it several times to get one that works properly. If that is what I need to to do then I doubt I'll bother with Canon.

Based on comments like skycolt's you'd have to be an idiot to even bother taking a flyer on one when you already know you can buy a Sigma 150-500 OS for $ 500.00 less and get the same inferior quality images and have 25% more reach.

Honestly, what am I missing here???

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Feb 03, 2013 15:18 as a reply to  @ skycolt's post |  #9

Not true at all. More like a little tricky to find a noob who can use the 100-400 with 1.6 crop factor.


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Feb 03, 2013 15:32 |  #10

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Dear Board,

Like the OP I too am looking for a lens for wildlife like deer, bear, etc.

Comments like this one leave me scratching my head every time I see them, and make it extremely difficult to decide between Canon and 3rd party lens offerings.

The 100-400L is a $ 1700.00 lens for God's sake, you shouldn't have to buy and exchange it several times to get one that works properly. If that is what I need to to do then I doubt I'll bother with Canon.

Based on comments like skycolt's you'd have to be an idiot to even bother taking a flyer on one when you already know you can buy a Sigma 150-500 OS for $ 500.00 less and get the same inferior quality images and have 25% more reach.

Honestly, what am I missing here???

Regards,

Tim Murphy :)

relax. the 100-400L is the best wildlife zoom there is. nothing else comes close. what you get on these chat boards is alot of parroting from guys who don't know what the hell they are talking about...all they do is repeat the same garbage they read. garbage in. garbage out.


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Feb 03, 2013 15:44 |  #11

ed rader wrote in post #15568414 (external link)
relax. the 100-400L is the best wildlife zoom there is. nothing else comes close. what you get on these chat boards is alot of parroting from guys who don't know what the hell they are talking about...all they do is repeat the same garbage they read. garbage in. garbage out.

Dear Ed,

Thanks! I was getting scared there for a while as I had pretty much decided to buy a 100-400L until I saw skycolt's post.

If you say I'll be OK I definitely trust your judgement. I've seen pictures you have posted using the 100-400L and I've been impressed by them. I doubt I'll be repeating them anytime soon, but I feel better about the decision I've made.

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Feb 03, 2013 15:54 |  #12

The 100-400 L is a wonderful wildlife zoom. The push-pull is a bit different to get used to but I've seen so many wonderful images created by this wonderful product. In the field, and not desiring to tote any other lenses, this would be a wonderful choice. And, if you start really getting into the rewarding images that birding give you on a daily basis . . . you'll probably get a 1.4x extender for it too one day.

With slightly better IQ, and faster AF than the 100-400 L "Dust Pump," the EF400/5.6 L is also a great lens that Canon got right the first time. It is one of the oldest lenses in their lineup and has never required an upgrade. Images are fantastic. It is another great option.

I'm an old school prime guy and that's what I'd do . . . just take the 135L and the 400L afield and have really great images! BTW, I own a 400/5.6 L and I'm so in awe of the images it gives me.




  
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Feb 03, 2013 16:27 |  #13

For all around wildlife, aviation, etc there isn't a better, all around zoom than the 100-400. There is a learning curve to using long lenses (400 and up), especially on the crop bodies, and there are a lot of people that never take the time to do so; just pull it out, shoot it a few times and decide that the lens sucks because they don't get instant results.

I'd say it's the minimum starting point for really doing wildlife shooting. The Sigma mentioned above is a decent starting point on a budget, if you need to; but I'd prefer to shoot "the pump" and crop, myself.

The 400 f/5.6 is good for flying birds, due the slight increase in AF speed, but I prefer the 100-400 for the IS, which helps since most of the critters don't tend to hang out directly in the sun, and shooting in shade winds up requiring slower shutter speeds than are *usually* possible to handhold at 400mm.


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Feb 03, 2013 18:35 |  #14

Sorry I didn't mean to create uneasiness and uncertainty on this model. It's something I read when I was do the searching. I read that the lens is made for longtime and canon made some improvement for the newer lenses. When you go through the discussion you will notice that some people say the IQ is comparable to 400 5.6 some say it's not. They all mean that there is some variation. That's what I meant to say. Sorry didn't make it clear the first place. But all in all it's a great model. I sold one, change to a 400 prime, missed it and bought one back. Now I am happy with my setup. Just grab a recent model and be a happy canon shooter.

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Dear Board,

Like the OP I too am looking for a lens for wildlife like deer, bear, etc.

Comments like this one leave me scratching my head every time I see them, and make it extremely difficult to decide between Canon and 3rd party lens offerings.

The 100-400L is a $ 1700.00 lens for God's sake, you shouldn't have to buy and exchange it several times to get one that works properly. If that is what I need to to do then I doubt I'll bother with Canon.

Based on comments like skycolt's you'd have to be an idiot to even bother taking a flyer on one when you already know you can buy a Sigma 150-500 OS for $ 500.00 less and get the same inferior quality images and have 25% more reach.

Honestly, what am I missing here???

Regards,

Tim Murphy :)


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Feb 03, 2013 18:51 |  #15

F8 will be challenge for auto focusing even at center. i only know 1d can do this and it is relatively poor too.


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