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1D MKIV or 1DMKIII

 
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Feb 12, 2013 01:14 |  #1

Hi,

I have a 5dMk2 which I mainly use for landscape and portrait photography. Now, I want to buy a second body (preferably a 1D series for the high burst fps) to use it as a back-up of the 5d and also to use it in sports photography and also in low light conditions such as ballet shows and other theatre and concert shows.

If I have money, definitely I would buy the 1DX but it is too expensive for me. My dilemma is between the 1D MKIV and the ID MKIII. I really like the image quality from the 1D MKIII but my issue is how it performs in low light. Is there any big difference between the MKIV and the MKIII in terms of image quality and performance??

Thanks a lot in advance.


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Feb 12, 2013 02:02 |  #2

If you can afford it grab the mk IV, just for some upgrades to the mk III. I wish I could swing a MK IV reallly bad!

The MK IV will have slightly better AF, ISO, and 6MP better sensor. However the 1D III is still an awesome camera!!! Especially for what they are going for right now used.


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Feb 12, 2013 05:03 |  #3

You will notice a big difference between the 3 and 4 in low light, in my opinion. If you want low light performance, then the 4 for sure.


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Feb 12, 2013 06:00 |  #4

I used to have both cameras.
ISO was about one stop better, or maybe one and half at the most.
I now have 1DIII but not IV. I would buy another lens with the price difference.
Just my 2 cents.


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Feb 12, 2013 07:20 |  #5

The 1D3 will focus better in low light than the 5D2 and 1D4, in AI Servo.

If you are happy cropping your 5D2 images down to 10mpx or so, then the 1D3 resolution should be okay for what you want, otherwise the 1D4 is nearly perfect at 16mpx.

The 5D2 and 1D4 are both better ISO-wise at high ISO than the 1D3 to varying degrees. The 1D3 is very similar to the latest APS-C bodies at ISO 6400, probably within a 1/3 or 1/5 stop, to give you an idea.

The 1D4 is an improved 1D3, with 16 vs 10mpx, movie mode, slightly better AF, and better ISO handling. Otherwise, it is very, very similar to the 1D3, menu, ergos, button placement, battery usage, settings, etc.


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Feb 12, 2013 08:23 |  #6

Unless I needed 10fps of 1dmk4 I might also look at 5dmk3. Between 1dmk3 & 1dmk4, I would atke 1dmk4.


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Feb 12, 2013 09:45 |  #7

I am looking for the 1d mk3 or mk4 because I want to have a 1d series body with better af than my 5d2, good image quality and high burst fps. I've read that the image quality between the 5d2 and 5d3 is almost identical so its not worth it for me to spend 3000euros on the 5d3 when I can buy an old 1d series for less money.


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Feb 12, 2013 09:48 |  #8

5dmk2 is not 5dmk3 AF wise IMHO and 5dmk3 here is lot cheaper than 1dmk4. Unless I needed 10fps or the better build I will take 5dmk3 over 1dmk3/1dmk4 right now.


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Feb 12, 2013 11:23 |  #9

For ballet, I'd say 1D3, as I've heard it focuses much better than the others in low light. I traveled w/out my 1D3 this weekend, and was regretting it when I realized how much my T2i was hunting in low light, where I know my 1D3 would have nailed it. Very frustrating, and realizing how great of a body the 1D3 is, especially for the common $1100 used price these days.

I'd love to have a 1D4 though, but the only think I'd probably gain is megapixels, for my use. It sounds like I'd be losing the low-light focus a bit though... Still 1D4 is a great body, and the prices are falling a bit.


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Feb 12, 2013 11:40 |  #10

popaine wrote in post #15601699 (external link)
I am looking for the 1d mk3 or mk4 because I want to have a 1d series body with better af than my 5d2, good image quality and high burst fps. I've read that the image quality between the 5d2 and 5d3 is almost identical so its not worth it for me to spend 3000euros on the 5d3 when I can buy an old 1d series for less money.

i have been a 1D user for a long time and owned the 1DmkIII and the 1DmkIV and i can tell you that at least for my needs and based on my experience the 5DmkIII is better than both of them. unless you NEED the 10fps, bigger buffer or the 1D build quality, i would take the 5DmkIII any day of the week (which is what i did). the 1DmkIV is a fantastic camera and does offer some good advantages like fps, build, buffer, better pixel density if you need extra reach etc..




  
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Feb 12, 2013 12:26 |  #11

blonde wrote in post #15602099 (external link)
i have been a 1D user for a long time and owned the 1DmkIII and the 1DmkIV and i can tell you that the 5DmkIII AF blows both of them out of the water. unless you NEED the 10fps, bigger buffer or the 1D build quality, i would take the 5DmkIII any day of the week (which is what i did).


Please.What an ignorant remark...the 5D3 and MKIV are so close in performance that its totally ridiculous to say that the 5D3 blows away an MKIV. The fact is, there are areas where the MKIV exceeds the 5D3....both are excellent cameras, both appeal to different needs, and neither one blows the other away:mad:


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Feb 12, 2013 12:31 |  #12

TeamSpeed wrote in post #15601275 (external link)
The 1D3 will focus better in low light than the 5D2 and 1D4, in AI Servo.

If you are happy cropping your 5D2 images down to 10mpx or so, then the 1D3 resolution should be okay for what you want, otherwise the 1D4 is nearly perfect at 16mpx.

The 5D2 and 1D4 are both better ISO-wise at high ISO than the 1D3 to varying degrees. The 1D3 is very similar to the latest APS-C bodies at ISO 6400, probably within a 1/3 or 1/5 stop, to give you an idea.

The 1D4 is an improved 1D3, with 16 vs 10mpx, movie mode, slightly better AF, and better ISO handling. Otherwise, it is very, very similar to the 1D3, menu, ergos, button placement, battery usage, settings, etc.

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This.. Nice job Team. You summed that up excellenty:cool:


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Feb 12, 2013 12:51 |  #13

umphotography wrote in post #15602261 (external link)
Please.What an ignorant remark...the 5D3 and MKIV are so close in performance that its totally ridiculous to say that the 5D3 blows away an MKIV. The fact is, there are areas where the MKIV exceeds the 5D3....both are excellent cameras, both appeal to different needs, and neither one blows the other away:mad:

are you simply upset because i said blow it out of the water? fine, i should have said that it is better and i should have said based on my experience but i stand by my comment. in low light, the AF on the 5DMKIII is MUCH better than my previous 1DmkIV and in tracking it is MUCH better than my old 1DMKIII.

and like i said, the 1D has its place and i know many people that would prefer it over the 5DmkIII for different reasons like faster FPS, better buffer, better build etc..

here, i edited my previous post to reflect that my comment is based on my own experience. didn't mean to upset you so much so i am sorry.




  
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Feb 12, 2013 17:59 |  #14

I've owned all three and still have the 1D4 and 5D3. The 5D3 'owns' the 1D4 which 'destroys' the 1D3 which 'blows the 5D3 out of the water'....oh wait.;)

Seriously, some specific comments:

The 1D4 and 5D3 image quality are about the same, especially for high ISO noise. The 1D3 lags these two by about a stop once you are talking ISO6400+

The 1D3 AF system is excellent. It snaps to focus in very low light situations and is also quite good for tracking action.

The 1D4 AF system is actually worse than the 1D3 in snapping into focus in very low light. It will give up and hunt for focus in light that the 1D3 has no problem with. It is slightly better at tracking action though when you are in decent (even HS gym level) light.

The 5D3 to me similar to the 1D4. It seems better in low light than the 1D4 (more like the 1D3 in this regard) but for a couple funny quirks. Let me give these last two details on the 5D3 quirks:
1) In low light or with very backlit subjects I have had an absolute devil of a time getting a 5D3 to focus on the subject. It will very, very stubbornly cling to the background. I think this is related to having quite large AF zones (way bigger than the dots in the viewfinder) as I have had some luck fixing the problem by changing to spot focus.
2) The 5D3 absolutely hates focusing through a fence with the lens hood pressed right up against a chain link diamond. I realize this doesn't affect most people, but I can tell you I leave the 5D3 home when I go to shoot softball / baseball. The thing is useless for this while the 1D4 is a complete trooper through the fence.


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Feb 16, 2013 17:09 |  #15

Is having HD video important? the 1D mk doesn't have that, the others do.




  
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