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Feb 13, 2013 16:17 |  #16

watt100 wrote in post #15604960 (external link)
actually the 100-400 can do f4.5 - that is (was) the valid point


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The difference is that at f4.5 you're shooting between 100mm and 130mm, which is much less zoom than 300mm. you're shooting at f5.0 from 130mm-260mm, and from 260mm-400mm you're shooting at f5.6. the 100-400 can never do f4.

If you need speed and close focusing, get the 300 f4, if you need zoom versatility get the zoom.

the 300 f4 is also sharper @ 300mm than the 100-400 is at any focal length at any aperture.


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Feb 13, 2013 16:36 |  #17

asty80 wrote in post #15605246 (external link)
This is the argument that was swaying me towards the 300mm. sigh.
I believe its going to come down to sharpness vs zoom and which I would rather prefer.

The sharpness is a wash. I tested them both and pixel peeped. The 300 can't zoom, whilst the zoom can't do F4. Which is most important to you ? ? ?

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Also this Grebe taken from a distance, bobbing on the water. It's a heavy crop and has retained detail superbly.........

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Feb 13, 2013 17:35 |  #18

asty80 wrote in post #15605246 (external link)
This is the argument that was swaying me towards the 300mm. sigh.
I believe its going to come down to sharpness vs zoom and which I would rather prefer.


FWIW I shoot only wildlife with the lens. There are times that the 100-400 would be a better lens (zooming back to frame that grizz family or a bird that flies super close), but in *most* instances, the 300 is just better, with and without TC.

For closer wildlife, I use my 24-105 (great for animalscapes).

I have a preference for zooms on the wide end, and primes on the long. Also note that it took me four trips to Canon (two with Canon 1.4x II TC) to get my 300 performing well.

One of my well-known wildlife photog friends uses a 300 F4 IS and 600 F4 IS as his one-two punch. He actually dumped his 300 2.8for the 300 F4. He won't even talk about the 100-400. Just shakes his head and grumbles. However, he'll be one of the first in line for the new 200-400.


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Feb 14, 2013 09:25 |  #19

thanks all for your time and well informed comments.
I saw a lot more pics taken with the 2 lenses and I'm starting to like the bokeh from the 300mm more.
I think I will go with that one once I get the budget approved ;) .
BTW - what is this 200-400. Is it a new canon L lens?


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Feb 14, 2013 09:34 |  #20

The 200-400mm is a magical unicorn like lens that will cost around or over $10,000 and will have a built in 1.4x extender. 99% of people can't afford it, it's quite the silly lens (or specialized lens).

I love my 100-400mm and use extension tubes when doing macro, it is fun but tough.

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Feb 14, 2013 14:27 |  #21

Mike55 wrote in post #15607140 (external link)
However, he'll be one of the first in line for the new 200-400.

I am crossing fingers that I can get the 200-400 before the next africa trip in august. I think that lens is absolutely perfect for that.


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Feb 14, 2013 18:32 |  #22

tommykjensen wrote in post #15610273 (external link)
I am crossing fingers that I can get the 200-400 before the next africa trip in august. I think that lens is absolutely perfect for that.

the rare and mysterious 200-400 was spotted last summer at the Olympics then it disappeared. Maybe it will reappear this summer




  
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Feb 14, 2013 18:46 |  #23

I have swapped back and forth between these two set ups and a couple years ago I came to realize the 100-400 is the only way to go. I will never go the 300 4 IS TC route again




  
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Feb 14, 2013 19:22 |  #24

Mike55 wrote in post #15607140 (external link)
FWIW I shoot only wildlife with the lens. There are times that the 100-400 would be a better lens (zooming back to frame that grizz family or a bird that flies super close), but in *most* instances, the 300 is just better, with and without TC.

For closer wildlife, I use my 24-105 (great for animalscapes).

I have a preference for zooms on the wide end, and primes on the long. Also note that it took me four trips to Canon (two with Canon 1.4x II TC) to get my 300 performing well.

One of my well-known wildlife photog friends uses a 300 F4 IS and 600 F4 IS as his one-two punch. He actually dumped his 300 2.8for the 300 F4. He won't even talk about the 100-400. Just shakes his head and grumbles. However, he'll be one of the first in line for the new 200-400.

i don't agree. and i've owned the 300L f4 twice and i've owned my 100-400L for five years and have used other copies as well. the only areas where the 300 excels is at 300mm and for shooting close up.

if you need 400mm the zoom is the best choice.


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Feb 14, 2013 19:23 |  #25

tommykjensen wrote in post #15610273 (external link)
I am crossing fingers that I can get the 200-400 before the next africa trip in august. I think that lens is absolutely perfect for that.

if you don't have any weight restrictions and a private vehicle with tripod mount, yeah :D.


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Feb 14, 2013 19:26 as a reply to  @ ed rader's post |  #26

the 300 f4 is also sharper @ 300mm than the 100-400 is at any focal length at any aperture.

marginally but when you slap on the TC it goes the other way and focus speed isn't even close to the zoom.


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Feb 14, 2013 19:31 as a reply to  @ ed rader's post |  #27

OP -- i think you should listen to the guys who have owned both. i know there are guys on this forum who used to swear by the 300 + tc but when they actually later owned the zoom a majority changed that tune.

in the field shooting wildlife the two most common canon long lenses you'll see are the 100-400L and the 500L f4. third is probably the 300L f2.8.


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Feb 14, 2013 19:45 |  #28

ed rader wrote in post #15611144 (external link)
i don't agree. and i've owned the 300L f4 twice and i've owned my 100-400L for five years and have used other copies as well. the only areas where the 300 excels is at 300mm and for shooting close up.

if you need 400mm the zoom is the best choice.

What if you need 420mm? :lol:


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Feb 14, 2013 19:47 |  #29

I have the 300, I wish i had the 100-400!




  
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Feb 14, 2013 21:04 |  #30

1Tanker wrote in post #15611220 (external link)
What if you need 420mm? :lol:

i've actually heard the zoon is short, like 380mm or something. for me, futzing around with a TC gets real old quickly.


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