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Feb 15, 2013 15:22 |  #91

NaKiD EyE wrote in post #15613911 (external link)
my 1ds III had better shadow recovery than the 5d3 i tried. Sounds like it's getting worse to me. Low light shooting is the only thing that matters to canon at the moment.

Deft sidestep.

It is a general truism (at least on this board) that Nikon's recent sensors exhibit the best DR of all FF cameras, past or present, approaching if not exceeding the best DR from film days.

I was pointing out that you view this performance as only "marginally" better than Canon while at the same time you view Canon's DR performance to be not even "decent". Hence, by extension, Nikon's DR is only marginally better than not decent. Hence, my :rolleyes:


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Feb 15, 2013 15:42 |  #92

Well when the technology over a 3-4 year period doesn't really improve then IMO it isn't "decent" anymore. Just they way I look at it. Come out with a cam that has 13-14 stops of DR and you will even improve low light performance. Lol sounds like a no brainer to me.




  
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Feb 15, 2013 15:47 |  #93

NaKiD EyE wrote in post #15614044 (external link)
Well when the technology over a 3-4 year period doesn't really improve then IMO it isn't "decent" anymore. Just they way I look at it. Come out with a cam that has 13-14 stops of DR and you will even improve low light performance. Lol sounds like a no brainer to me.

I can't argue with what sounds like a "no brainer" to you (it is your brain, after all), but what you said before is illogical to me, namely that the best DR ever in digital photography is only marginally better than not decent.


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Feb 15, 2013 16:55 as a reply to  @ post 15612847 |  #94

Yawn


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Feb 15, 2013 17:26 |  #95

RTPVid wrote in post #15614064 (external link)
I can't argue with what sounds like a "no brainer" to you (it is your brain, after all), but what you said before is illogical to me, namely that the best DR ever in digital photography is only marginally better than not decent.

marginally was the wrong word.




  
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Feb 15, 2013 17:48 |  #96

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That they have. In 2010 you heard phrases like "Canon destroyed Nikon in 2010 global DSLR market share" with a nearly %50 market share. Today it's "Canon still in the lead" but by one or two percentage points. It's not as if the sky is falling but from once not so long ago being the market leader in every market niche Canon has let them all slip pretty much across the board. The EOS M is a down right embarrassment when compared to the competition especially considering how late they came to the party. It would not surprise me if 2013 is the year Canon looses market leadership in the DSLR market segment.

Could you please give me reference on that numbers?


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Feb 15, 2013 19:11 |  #97

RTPVid wrote in post #15613850 (external link)
You said it was easy. It is not easy. Glad we now agree.

I said getting access to the information was easy.

pwm2 wrote in post #15613880 (external link)
Having a patent doesn't mean you know how to actually implement the functionality in a way that is commercially viable.

We agree, what's the problem?

pwm2 wrote in post #15613891 (external link)
Liquid lenses are suited for small cameras. So you randomly drag up patents that aren't even applicable.

I just pulled up a few random patents that seemed camera related. There are maybe 20,000 more. <- total guess estimating 2000 a year for 10 years.

I don't know why this is so complicated, access to what technology Canon has developed is easily accessible to anyone who wants to view it and read and study the patents. In addition Canon put's out white papers describing their technology as well. Some are publicly available, some published in tech journals. How that will impact your next camera is anyone's guess.


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Feb 15, 2013 19:13 |  #98

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Could you please give me reference on that numbers?

Post #17. My errors were pointed out in post #25 I think.


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Feb 15, 2013 20:48 |  #99

I don't think patents mean what you think they mean.


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Feb 15, 2013 21:25 |  #100

NaKiD EyE wrote in post #15613894 (external link)
you are pretty naive to think that canon comes out with the absolute best camera they can.

no. i'm not. but your blanket statement saying "you don't have the technology, you just want to slowly incorporate it", without any supporting facts, absolutely makes no sense or whatsoever.

if you simply say "sony has this great sensor" then, so canon can just go grab and use it? you think it's that simple?



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Feb 15, 2013 21:38 |  #101

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they could put a lens on a turd and sell it.

Oh man, that's deep.




  
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Feb 15, 2013 21:38 |  #102

This thread used to be interesting...


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Feb 16, 2013 01:17 |  #103

NaKiD EyE wrote in post #15614326 (external link)
marginally was the wrong word.

I think you meant "margarinally."

It's similar to "like butter", but it has less saturated phat.


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Feb 16, 2013 06:43 |  #104

Finally divested ownership in my a77!
More fool me?
Rather sad in a way I just hope canon make up,will,a nice series if

Lets hope, they sort out video in DSLRS!and improve UK pricing it's disgraceful
Someone should get the CEOs name and email Address and ask him WTF, with every Canon customer sending him an email explain that £1000 = £1,500
They have the nerve to announce something at $1,000 at £1,0000 pounds sterling. What about the exchange rate of 1.5
Wow would that boost sales hat on.


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Feb 16, 2013 12:07 |  #105

Submariner wrote in post #15615761 (external link)
improve UK pricing it's disgraceful
Someone should get the CEOs name and email Address and ask him WTF, with every Canon customer sending him an email explain that £1000 = £1,500
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There is some gouging, but 20% of that is the VAT. Still another 30% or so to explain for sure.


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