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Feb 17, 2013 11:19 |  #16

Did we ever hear back from the OP? Do we know their budget?

For that matter, do we know which Rebel-series camera they will be using the lens with? There have been ten different Rebel DSLRs, to date, with differing features and specifications.

The EF-S 55-250mm is one of the lowest cost, at about $200 US... Except that it lacks USM and 250mm isn't a whole lot of reach for some types of wildlife/bird photography.

Sigma 120-400 OS sells for just under $1000 US, which is a relative bargain among longer tele zooms. The Sigma 150-500mm OS sells for rounghy $1100. Compare to the Canon 100-400 IS, which sells for $1460 presently.

There are several Canon 75-300 or 70-300 lenses... some good, some not so good in terms of IQ and performance. These can cost very little (EF 75-300 III - $150) to quite a bit (EF 70-300L IS - $1400). I haven't used any of these personally... but the two or three least expensive 75-300s are generally panned here on POTN and elsewhere, the 55-250 is considered by most to give considerably better image qualiity. The more expensive 70-300L, 70-200 DO and other 70-300 models with both USM and IS also are considerably better... but all are more to a lot more expensive.

And all of them are 300mm max... which may not be "long enough" for wildlife. None of the 75/70-300s are practical to use with teleconverters.

The 70-200s are real workhorse zooms... Canon offers 4 versions... two f4 and two f2.8, two with IS and two without, selling for between $630 and $2100. Now these are a bit short for wildlife shooting, on their own. Any of them can be used with a 1.4X teleconverter, though. And the f2.8 versions can be used with a 2X. There's always some loss of image quality though, using teleconverters (more to a 2X than to a 1.4X). A TC also slows AF performance.

There are also some prime lenses to consider.... The more affordable include Canon EF 300/4 IS (about $1400 US), which works well with or without a 1.4X teleconverter. The Canon 400/5.6 ($1350) gives a bit more reach, but is less usable with teleconverters and lacks IS. I use the 300/4 IS a lot, with and without Canon 1.4X II teleconverter... it's very handholdable.

There are third party 70-200s, 70-300s too... I don't have a lot of experience with them, so you'll have to research a bit... But basically with the Sigma's for best AF performance look for HSM focus drive. With Tamrons, look for USD focus drive. These thir party lenses' focusing systems are roughly equivalent to Canon's USM.

Also on these longer lenses IS or image stabilization is a very valuable. Canon calls it "IS". Sigma calls it "OS". Tamron calls it "VC".


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Feb 17, 2013 11:32 |  #17

amfoto1 wrote in post #15619782 (external link)
Did we ever hear back from the OP? Do we know their budget?

For that matter, do we know which Rebel-series camera they will be using the lens with? There have been ten different Rebel DSLRs, to date, with differing features and specifications.

Now that you mention it, it's true enough that the OP hasn't actually specified a budget, while I was under the impression he had.

As for his camera, I don't think it matters which Rebel he's using to recommend a lens.

And as for reach, the OP seems like a beginner, so I would guess 300mm maximum reach would be fine for him.


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Feb 17, 2013 11:38 |  #18

For around $160 I can get the 55-250IS, will the 70-200 f/4 non IS be as usuable handheld? Isn't IS important enough to justify? 70-200 f/4 IS is around $900 right? Justified?
I obviously would love to have L glass but cost of IS on them is a lot.
I'm using a T3i.




  
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Feb 17, 2013 11:42 |  #19

Michigan Mike wrote in post #15619845 (external link)
For around $160 I can get the 55-250IS, will the 70-200 f/4 non IS be as usuable handheld? Isn't IS important enough to justify? 70-200 f/4 IS is around $900 right? Justified?
I obviously would love to have L glass but cost of IS on them is a lot.
I'm using a T3i.

I personally wouldn't buy a long telephoto lens without IS, especially not if you intend to shoot any static subjects with it. You should know the Tamron 70-300 VC USD can be had for 349$ (after mail-in rebate) at B&H now; they even have a used for for less than $300. I've never used it, but I'd probably buy that one instead of the Canon 55-250 if I had to choose between either.


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Feb 17, 2013 12:24 |  #20

Back in the "Dark Ages" of film, ISO 400 was considered fast, we didn't have Image Stabilization, and yet we still managed to make photos.

Image Stabilization is very nice to have, but not always really required. Lots of people use 70-200 4.0 non-IS hand held, and with today's high ISO capable cameras it is easier than ever.


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Feb 17, 2013 12:50 |  #21

Apricane wrote in post #15619855 (external link)
I personally wouldn't buy a long telephoto lens without IS, especially not if you intend to shoot any static subjects with it. You should know the Tamron 70-300 VC USD can be had for 349$ (after mail-in rebate) at B&H now; they even have a used for for less than $300. I've never used it, but I'd probably buy that one instead of the Canon 55-250 if I had to choose between either.

Thanks, actually I don't look @ non-Canon lenses enough.




  
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Feb 17, 2013 13:21 |  #22

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I have 635 shots, all about the same level of sharpness or better (H shoots pretty fast at 5 fps)... tossed about 20 because I wasn't adept enough to put the object where the 60D could see it.

It is the 18-200 and it doesn't say USM anywhere...

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Feb 23, 2013 02:40 |  #23

Budget is about $500 I can and will push that ot the upper end if I can get a reall good deal though. In my signature I have listed hat I have minus misc accessories tripod flashes etc. I have always been inot photography but not a pro level just as a hobbyist but this time around I am staing the course and just want to be able to go around and snap some nice shots. I live next to a state park which has lots of photo opportunities of birds which I love nature so that is a real plus for me. I was actually looking at :

Rokinon 500mm f/6.3 Mirror Lens for Canon EOS Digital SLR Cameras
it is like 150 roughly but just was unsure of its quality or abilities, if it's about learning the lens no problem but if it not up to par I can pass and keep looking. My reason for the distance as we all know they dont stay still long and are alerted by simple movement of any kind and take off so the more distance I would have here the better off I would be. The animals here have been extra alert when it comes to human activity so the less I am noticed the better my sots could or can be. I am taking all of your suggestions very seriously because I can see that this is a very good forum with a vast amount of talented shooters.

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Feb 23, 2013 03:37 as a reply to  @ kcrunchone's post |  #24

I had a sigma 400mm f5.6 apo prime lens, I bought it for the £65 . It was an old lens and had the problem of only being able to be used at f5.6 or it would give an error . But it was cheap, produced ok images, and it gave you experiance of using long lens. If you can find a chipped one to work with digital it would be good, and the sigma 400mm apo macro hsm version is the best of the bunch.

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Feb 23, 2013 04:02 |  #25
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I have to agree with those who say skip the Canon 55-250 and get the Tamron 70-300. It's ten times the lens at only double the cost, and it's within your budget. Those fixed-aperture mirror lenses are garbage... avoid them like the plague.


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Feb 23, 2013 07:50 |  #26

You may want to look in to the $300.00 USD tokina atx 400mm prime.


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Feb 23, 2013 07:58 as a reply to  @ Dawicka2's post |  #27

If the OP already has a 70-200, they can also consider adding a 1.4 extender instead of buying another xx-300 lens?


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Feb 23, 2013 10:57 |  #28

kcrunchone wrote in post #15642674 (external link)
Budget is about $500 I can and will push that ot the upper end if I can get a reall good deal though. In my signature I have listed hat I have minus misc accessories tripod flashes etc. I have always been inot photography but not a pro level just as a hobbyist but this time around I am staing the course and just want to be able to go around and snap some nice shots. I live next to a state park which has lots of photo opportunities of birds which I love nature so that is a real plus for me. I was actually looking at :

Rokinon 500mm f/6.3 Mirror Lens for Canon EOS Digital SLR Cameras
it is like 150 roughly but just was unsure of its quality or abilities, if it's about learning the lens no problem but if it not up to par I can pass and keep looking. My reason for the distance as we all know they dont stay still long and are alerted by simple movement of any kind and take off so the more distance I would have here the better off I would be. The animals here have been extra alert when it comes to human activity so the less I am noticed the better my sots could or can be. I am taking all of your suggestions very seriously because I can see that this is a very good forum with a vast amount of talented shooters.

on ebay for about 150

what 70-200mm lens do you already have?

if you're after birds/wildlife...and you're already noticing how short 200mm is the only things to save for are the cheaper longer sigma zooms...

sigma 50-500mm...no OS old...but you could probably snag it for near $500
sigma 120-400OS...i'm not sure on the used price of this one, but i'd say it's probably around $7-800
sigma 150-500OS...used price is probably going to be around $800 or more...it's the cheapest way to go long, and still have stabilization

the canon 400L would be next in line...but you're talking probably about $1,000 for that one

the rokinon 500mm is junk...and you're talking MF only in this situation...which unless it's a pretty static animal/bird you'd have to be pretty fast at it


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Feb 23, 2013 11:10 |  #29

kcrunchone wrote in post #15642674 (external link)
Budget is about $500 I can and will push that ot the upper end if I can get a reall good deal though. In my signature I have listed hat I have minus misc accessories tripod flashes etc. I have always been inot photography but not a pro level just as a hobbyist but this time around I am staing the course and just want to be able to go around and snap some nice shots. I live next to a state park which has lots of photo opportunities of birds which I love nature so that is a real plus for me. I was actually looking at :keep looking. My reason for the distance as we all know they dont stay still long and are alerted by simple movement of any kind and take off so the more distance I would have here the better off I would be. The animals here have been extra alert when it comes to human activity so the less I am noticed the better my sots could or can be. I am taking all of your suggestions very seriously because I can see that this is a very good forum with a vast amount of talented shooters.
on ebay for about 150


I agree with the others, the Canon 55-250IS is the best budget low $$ wildlife lens, - often on sale for $150 (new).

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edit: if you already have a Canon 70-200 then definitely try that with an extender



  
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Feb 23, 2013 11:21 |  #30

Mirror lenses have no adjustable aperture, are MF only, and give donut shaped out of focus highlight....not very pleasing.

In the $500 price range you're not going to get much farther then your 55-250. You can get a 1.4x TC to bring your 70-200mm up to 280mm or a tamron 70-300mm VC or a canon 70-300mm IS. Honestly you're not going to see a large increase in range over the 55-250 with any of those.

At this point my suggestion would be to put that $500 a way and keep saving until you can afford something like the canon 100-400mm IS, sigma 120-400mm OS, or sigma 150-500mm OS




  
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