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Feb 18, 2013 16:24 |  #91

Gear quality is an extension of your skill level as a photographer. If you know what you are doing, better gear will allow you to achieve things entry-level ones can't do. With that said, knowing how to post process your files is much more important. You need an eye for art, composition, and color - you can make a sharp but boring picture come to life with the right skills and software.


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Feb 18, 2013 17:47 |  #92

I believe good gear could get a good shot. I also feel that a good photographer could get the emotion and feeling in the picture better.


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Feb 18, 2013 18:42 |  #93
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Lets re ask the question, did a 7x10 view camera or other old camera take as good a photo as the newest pro level cameras of today? Vision, angles, light, knowing what the camera can do all come into play . One should not depend on software to make the photo better. Yes one could say dodging and burning in the darkroom is like sort of using software of today. Therefore I would say the camera used is immaterial to how good a photo can be . Ansel Adams and other photographers would be the proof.


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Feb 18, 2013 20:29 |  #94

ebjo wrote in post #15625116 (external link)
Lets re ask the question, did a 7x10 view camera or other old camera take as good a photo as the newest pro level cameras of today? Vision, angles, light, knowing what the camera can do all come into play . One should not depend on software to make the photo better. Yes one could say dodging and burning in the darkroom is like sort of using software of today. Therefore I would say the camera used is immaterial to how good a photo can be . Ansel Adams and other photographers would be the proof.

The camera not immaterial. Shooting swimming action sessions, with younger swimmers, I might have three good butterfly strokes before they completely fall apart and start looking like drowning victims. At this point, I don't know the swimmer, their rhythm, or where they look best in their stroke. I have three little 1/3 second bursts to catch them at their best. My 1D3 provides a fast continuous shot rate and brilliant autofocus to guarantee I will catch these brief moments.

With my T2i, I could get some shots, but I missed a whole lot, and had swimmers going back for 4 or 5 swims to try again and again. I barely made it work -- and some families were not happy with what I got. When I moved up to the 1D3, I could catch them in their first swim, compressed the whole group into a much shorter time span, and everyone got quality photos.

Could you shoot a 70-kid swim team with Ansel's 7x10 camera? Practically speaking, no. You could probably get a couple keepers in several hours of work.

It's not just sports either. What if you are shooting some tragedy as it unfolds? What if you are trying to capture wildlife and cannot safely get closer than the reach of a 400mm + 2x?


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Feb 18, 2013 21:58 |  #95
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ebjo wrote in post #15625116 (external link)
Lets re ask the question, did a 7x10 view camera or other old camera take as good a photo as the newest pro level cameras of today? Vision, angles, light, knowing what the camera can do all come into play . One should not depend on software to make the photo better. Yes one could say dodging and burning in the darkroom is like sort of using software of today. Therefore I would say the camera used is immaterial to how good a photo can be . Ansel Adams and other photographers would be the proof.

It's interesting to note Ansel used one of the best set of gear for the type of photography he did in his era. You did not see Ansel running around with a little rangefinder.

As far as manipulation of images, Ansel was the master. You bet today if he was around, he would be deep into photoshop manipulation and would most likely be shooting medium format digital...not rebels.




  
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Feb 18, 2013 22:18 |  #96

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It's interesting to note Ansel used one of the best set of gear for the type of photography he did in his era. You did not see Ansel running around with a little rangefinder.

As far as manipulation of images, Ansel was the master. You bet today if he was around, he would be deep into photoshop manipulation and would most likely be shooting medium format digital...not rebels.

The point is that if he was able to take great photos using antiquated equipment, any DSLR is capable of amazing shots these days.


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Feb 18, 2013 22:28 |  #97
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EverydayGetaway wrote in post #15625902 (external link)
The point is that if he was able to take great photos using antiquated equipment, any DSLR is capable of amazing shots these days.

Not really. The equipment used by Ansel, large format B&W film is still not matched by today's DSLR systems for both dynamic range and overall ability to resolve extreme fine details in large prints. There is not a hell of hope of trying to match a large format print using a rebel...not even close.




  
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Feb 18, 2013 22:51 |  #98

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #15625902 (external link)
The point is that if he was able to take great photos using antiquated equipment, any DSLR is capable of amazing shots these days.

Hogloff wrote in post #15625929 (external link)
Not really. The equipment used by Ansel, large format B&W film is still not matched by today's DSLR systems for both dynamic range and overall ability to resolve extreme fine details in large prints. There is not a hell of hope of trying to match a large format print using a rebel...not even close.

Regardless of what anyone believes Ansel would use today, any dslr is capable in the right hands of some truly amazing captures. Even the rebels. There are still professional photographers out there that dare I say it, use a 50d or a 7d for studio portraits. Heaven forbid the client finds out the gear they are being shot with isn't full frame or medium format. And don't even try to argue that an 85 f/1.8 or 50 f/1.8 is permissable to use at f/8 when shooting a studio portrait either. Everyone knows you have to have a 1DX and 85 f/1.2 at when shooting at f/8.:lol:


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Feb 18, 2013 22:54 |  #99

BTW, this thread is so funny. Just goes to show how irrational arguements can go on forever.:lol:


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Feb 18, 2013 23:32 |  #100
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My point was that people got their shot and good shots long before digital came along. The newspaper reporter from yesteryear got the shot with flash camera that had the bulb that was replaced after every shot. National Geo shooters got their shots out in the wilds, sport shooters got their Olympic shots. all from many years ago. Back then people said great photo, today people say great photo. If we still had no digital cameras we would still get the shot. Unless one uses full manual the camera and not the photographer is doing the work. There fore the photographer is no better then his early counterpart.Imho


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Feb 19, 2013 00:57 |  #101

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So I have read many times on this forum that the photographer makes the picture, not the camera. From a composition point of view I agree. But from other things (focus, contrast, bokeh, etc) I find myself wondering. For example I started with a T2i and the kit lens. I am now using a 5diii and a 70-200 2.8IS. As much as I would LOVE to take all the credit for my recent images I have to suspect that most of it goes to gear. Curious to hear other's thoughts.

You have to remember that as time goes on, your skill level grows too. I bet that you moved from a T2i kit to a more pro kit because you were having limitations (due to your better skill) in some way with your other gear.....


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Feb 19, 2013 01:50 |  #102

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You have to remember that as time goes on, your skill level grows too. I bet that you moved from a T2i kit to a more pro kit because you were having limitations (due to your better skill) in some way with your other gear.....

I agree, if every photographer in the world had a 200 f/2L and 1DX we'd see some awesome portraits etc.

Make no mistake, there will be people who still take bad photos, but I think it'll improve most people's shots


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Feb 19, 2013 06:44 |  #103

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I agree, if every photographer in the world had a 200 f/2L and 1DX we'd see some awesome portraits etc.

Make no mistake, there will be people who still take bad photos, but I think it'll improve most people's shots

Throw a 1DX at the hands of a amateur photographer whois just starting at photography and i bet he would sell that thing at ebay a few days later and give up photography.


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Feb 19, 2013 06:58 |  #104

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Throw a 1DX at the hands of a amateur photographer whois just starting at photography and i bet he would sell that thing at ebay a few days later and give up photography.

Doesn't the 1DX have a full auto (green box) mode?


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Feb 19, 2013 07:12 |  #105

Azathoth wrote in post #15626727 (external link)
Throw a 1DX at the hands of a amateur photographer whois just starting at photography and i bet he would sell that thing at ebay a few days later and give up photography.

He would most likely start a "Better camera = Better photographer?" thread.;)


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