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Mar 04, 2013 02:38 |  #1

How do you store your massive picture collection? Just back them up to your hard drive or do you use a server type backup system or other external hard drive setup. I ask because my laptop is full my external drives are full and i was wondering if I should get a server type that hooks up to the router where I can dump all my pics from the desktop to the laptops and even the iPad ..either way works just expensive..and so I am asking what you guys do to back up your pics..thanks any intel is appreciated
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Mar 04, 2013 02:54 |  #2

I keep an external hard drive and empty out the older files as soon as they start filling them up. Pics on my main laptop take up way too much space.


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Mar 04, 2013 03:01 |  #3

You need multiple storage locations.

At the very least, every photo should be stored on two disks, but preferably 3 or more. You should try to have one copy of the photos at a different geographical location, to cover fire, burglary etc.

3TB external USB drives are quite cheap.
And there are some cheap NAS solutions where you can get a "mini server" with 2 or 4 disks.

The main thing you need to plan for is, that every single disk have a "fail timer" that is constantly ticking down. What do you do when that fail timer reaches zero? What if a second disk reaches zero before you have recovered from the first disk failure? And remember that two disks of same brand and model bought at the same time may have the same manufacturing or programming flaw, really making them fail very close in time. It isn't a "one in a billion" to have two drives die almost at the same time.


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Mar 04, 2013 07:17 |  #4

All client photos live in 5 hard drives in two locations. In office all photos are backed up to a Raid 1 external drive, another external drive, a separate dedicated internal drive and and are regularly backed up to an offsite external hard drive as well. Thinking of adding a cloud based service for good measure. I use Sync Toy (free) everytime I import photos, quite simple.

Whatever system you come up with, make sure it is simple. If its not simple and easy the odds of you keeping up with your backup process decrease sharply.


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Mar 04, 2013 07:22 |  #5

RAID attached to my iMac, all photos on RAID, current year on internal drives. UnRAID file server in house with 20TB for all our computer backups, media, and all photos from iMac and attached RAID backed up to this server.

Server and iMac/RAID backed up to crashplan, LR catalog on Dropbox as well.


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Mar 04, 2013 07:38 |  #6

camflan wrote in post #15674572 (external link)
RAID attached to my iMac, all photos on RAID, current year on internal drives. UnRAID file server in house with 20TB for all our computer backups, media, and all photos from iMac and attached RAID backed up to this server.

Server and iMac/RAID backed up to crashplan, LR catalog on Dropbox as well.

I'm surprised more people don't use a RAID system for backup. It's simple to setup using either software RAID, or hardware RAID. I ran many servers with large disk array attached, all on RAID 5, or RAID 1 setups. In all the years I did this, I had three disk failures, which were easily fixed by replacing the bad drive and having the system auto rebuild the data on the dead drive. Never a data loss.

Backups were done nightly and stored offsite, for redundant safety.


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Mar 04, 2013 07:58 as a reply to  @ StillCrazy's post |  #7

Main storage is on an internal HD in my desktop Mac. First backup is on a secondary HD inside the Mac configured as a Time Machine backup. Second backup is an external USB 2TB HD which is re-cloned weekly from the main storage. Third backup is an identical external USB 2TB HD which is swapped with the second backup monthly and stored in a fireproof box.


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Mar 04, 2013 08:31 |  #8

BioSci, I'm trying to understand your workflow/backup flow -- wait, that doesn't sound too good. OK, so after a shoot, the cards get dumped to your desktop's HD. Fiddle with them in LR/PS and at the end of the day you do a Time Machine backup?


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Mar 04, 2013 09:09 |  #9

Corbeau wrote in post #15674731 (external link)
BioSci, I'm trying to understand your workflow/backup flow -- wait, that doesn't sound too good. OK, so after a shoot, the cards get dumped to your desktop's HD. Fiddle with them in LR/PS and at the end of the day you do a Time Machine backup?

Time Machine runs on its own schedule updating the backup with any changed files using a series of hardlinks to maintain snapshots of your data. It might run several times while he is working on files, saving changes to the backup drive as he goes.


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Mar 04, 2013 09:11 |  #10

StillCrazy wrote in post #15674609 (external link)
I'm surprised more people don't use a RAID system for backup. It's simple to setup using either software RAID, or hardware RAID. I ran many servers with large disk array attached, all on RAID 5, or RAID 1 setups. In all the years I did this, I had three disk failures, which were easily fixed by replacing the bad drive and having the system auto rebuild the data on the dead drive. Never a data loss.

Backups were done nightly and stored offsite, for redundant safety.

I know far too many people who think that storing their files on an external raid as primary storage is a backup. A RAID is not a backup by itself, as you know - you have to have backups of your backups. Physically separating multiple backups is the only way to feel safe about your data.


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StillCrazy wrote in post #15674609 (external link)
I'm surprised more people don't use a RAID system for backup. It's simple to setup using either software RAID, or hardware RAID. I ran many servers with large disk array attached, all on RAID 5, or RAID 1 setups. In all the years I did this, I had three disk failures, which were easily fixed by replacing the bad drive and having the system auto rebuild the data on the dead drive. Never a data loss.

Backups were done nightly and stored offsite, for redundant safety.

Careful with terminology.

A RAID is just one copy of a file. So a RAID isn't in itself a complete backup solution - you still need other storage locations for the file too.

The intention with RAID is to improve availability (i.e. avoid down-time) and in some situations to give extra bandwidth (by having the data striped onto multiple disks) or extra search capability (by having the data searchable on multiple disks).

But a RAID can fail just a single disk can fail, meaning that the RAID must not be the only storage location for the data. A RAID doesn't help with an uncaught transfer error, or an OS that gives an incorrect write command, or a user (or virus) that requests file overwrites/deletes. And there are a number of situations where the redundancy will not be enough. Multiple disks can fail. The disk controller can fail for multiple disks. The power supply can fail. The firmware can fail.


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Mar 04, 2013 09:50 |  #12

camflan wrote in post #15674832 (external link)
I know far too many people who think that storing their files on an external raid as primary storage is a backup.

pwm2 wrote in post #15674897 (external link)
Careful with terminology.

A RAID is just one copy of a file. So a RAID isn't in itself a complete backup solution - you still need other storage locations for the file too.

StillCrazy wrote in post #15674609 (external link)
Backups were done nightly and stored offsite, for redundant safety.

Both of you failed to read through to the end of my statement. I'll repeat it here for you, since you missed it the first time.

Backups were done nightly and stored offsite, for redundant safety

Got It?


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Mar 04, 2013 10:01 |  #13

StillCrazy wrote in post #15674985 (external link)
Both of you failed to read through to the end of my statement. I'll repeat it here for you, since you missed it the first time.

Backups were done nightly and stored offsite, for redundant safety

Got It?

No. I didn't fail to read. But that last sentence doesn't negates the issues with the first sentence: "I'm surprised more people don't use a RAID system for backup."


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Mar 04, 2013 10:07 |  #14

All my pic's are stored locally; collection has grown across 2 drives now. (300gb Velociraptor && 256gb ssd, I am not sure what my long term plan is here yet; maybe cycle older files out; or switch to bigger local drives as prices drop...).

Automatically backed up to my local nas; 4x1tb in raid5. All 'keepers' get uploaded @ full quality to Flickr or similar also (My only 'off site', so my RAWs aren't protected)

I've been staring at mass off site backup solution; but I haven't pulled the trigger on one yet. (amazon Glacier leading in my mind currently..)


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Mar 04, 2013 10:12 |  #15

When you know what you're doing, and can figure things out, you'll understand it is exactly another form of backup. And from experience, it was the fastest, simplest and most reliable form. It happened within milliseconds of any change to the primary drives, not having to wait till secondary backups began. What you are trying to do is stress is the need for multiple backup strategies. One of which should include RAID.


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