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Mar 03, 2013 19:58 |  #6976

awesome doofus! that last one is a pearler!


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Mar 04, 2013 01:18 |  #6977

Well, then!

I put together a "kit", the 100-400 with a Kenko 2x TC and a Better Beamer flash extender, mounted on my trusty ol' Canon 30D, to catch some neighborhood critters, check out some results:

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Mar 04, 2013 13:49 |  #6978

Anyone else find this lens just makes everything look like sand at low shutter speeds? I'm using a 7D and maybe I got a bad (UZ) copy but I'm usually more disappointed with results than I am happy. I can shoot any other lens I own at 1/40 and get a good sharp image but this thing just wrecks 80% or more of them. I'm not convinced sending both the body and lens away for a tune will fix this.

most of what I shoot ends up being 200mm or further but even 100mm it's rather average.


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Mar 04, 2013 14:22 as a reply to  @ Leftcoast_Mike's post |  #6979

Fancy chicken

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Mar 04, 2013 16:23 |  #6980

Leftcoast_Mike wrote in post #15675879 (external link)
Anyone else find this lens just makes everything look like sand at low shutter speeds? I'm using a 7D and maybe I got a bad (UZ) copy but I'm usually more disappointed with results than I am happy. I can shoot any other lens I own at 1/40 and get a good sharp image but this thing just wrecks 80% or more of them. I'm not convinced sending both the body and lens away for a tune will fix this.

most of what I shoot ends up being 200mm or further but even 100mm it's rather average.

I'm guessing you've not used such a powerful lens before. There's no way you can expect to use such slow shutter speeds without a tripod on a lens like this. Get up to 1/500 and you should be ok.


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Mar 04, 2013 17:00 |  #6981

Madweasel wrote in post #15676496 (external link)
I'm guessing you've not used such a powerful lens before. There's no way you can expect to use such slow shutter speeds without a tripod on a lens like this. Get up to 1/500 and you should be ok.

I've had this lens a couple of years but I've used it on two different bodies in that time.

I need to go down to at least 1/160 for prop planes on takeoff. That's not even slow enough on landings. 1/500 would freeze the prop completely.

citing the 1/40 comparison etc was probably pretty extreme but realistically if I can't get good results at 1/100 then I'm out of ideas.

I'm going to take it to the airfield after work and do a side by side with both my camera's to try and eliminate my 7D as being the issue.


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Mar 04, 2013 19:20 |  #6982

Leftcoast_Mike wrote in post #15676626 (external link)
I've had this lens a couple of years but I've used it on two different bodies in that time.

I need to go down to at least 1/160 for prop planes on takeoff. That's not even slow enough on landings. 1/500 would freeze the prop completely.

citing the 1/40 comparison etc was probably pretty extreme but realistically if I can't get good results at 1/100 then I'm out of ideas.

I'm going to take it to the airfield after work and do a side by side with both my camera's to try and eliminate my 7D as being the issue.

You have to remember this lens is old design/tech. The IS on it is probably at most, 3 stops and it takes longer for the IS to fully spool before it gets you a nice, stabilized image. If you're thinking of firing off photos at 1/(FL x crop)s or slower from the draw... you can also expect the first couple of images to be fuzzy due to stabilizer shake as well.

After shooting 8-9 airshows now... I am at about 50% keeper-rate for 1/160s on prop planes (on my 7D/100-400 combo). 50% of those keepers are pretty tack sharp. The other 50% will do fine if I don't blow them up huge.


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Mar 04, 2013 21:34 |  #6983

Leftcoast_Mike wrote in post #15675879 (external link)
Anyone else find this lens just makes everything look like sand at low shutter speeds? I'm using a 7D and maybe I got a bad (UZ) copy but I'm usually more disappointed with results than I am happy. I can shoot any other lens I own at 1/40 and get a good sharp image but this thing just wrecks 80% or more of them. I'm not convinced sending both the body and lens away for a tune will fix this.

most of what I shoot ends up being 200mm or further but even 100mm it's rather average.

I had trouble like that when I bought mine. I started using shutter priority with auto ISO to keep the speed up. 1/1000 for me. Much slower and the images don't come out sharp. It's tricky on a tripod too. It seems like the lens vibrates more than others I've used (even more than a 300 + 1.4x). I've handheld a 70-200 at 1/15 (plus IS) with sharp results, so I was surprised that I couldn't do it with the 100-400 too. So, get the shutter speed up.


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Mar 04, 2013 23:32 |  #6984

I know it can be done but the keep rate is so low and the conditions have to be damn near perfect. I live in the PNW and we have to put up with a lot of overcast lol

This is at 150mm, not all the way out at 400mm.


@ 150 mm | f/9 | 1/100 | ISO 100

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Mar 04, 2013 23:53 |  #6985

Leftcoast_Mike wrote in post #15678005 (external link)
I know it can be done but the keep rate is so low and the conditions have to be damn near perfect. I live in the PNW and we have to put up with a lot of overcast lol

This is at 150mm, not all the way out at 400mm.

@ 150 mm | f/9 | 1/100 | ISO 100

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Mike, that looks pretty good to me, this type of shooting stretches the limits of our gear and our skill -- practice, practice, practice!

I actually preferred the 70-200 lens for aviation, auto and sports because it seemed to perform better AF-wise. It was my go-to lens for that stuff! But, the 100-400 is still what I grab for reach!


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Mar 04, 2013 23:59 |  #6986

definatley from what I have noticed with mine over the years is the light has to be good. I have had mine for nearly 5 years, and I love the thing to bits, but certainly know that it needs good light to focus fast and accurately. This rang true with both my 50D and now 7D.

What I do notice is that diffraction has wrecked just as many shots if the light is good and I need to get the shutter right down. I bought a 2 stop ND filter to try and help, and whilst it did help, taking 2 stops of light out doesn't help a lens that needs as much as it can get!


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Mar 05, 2013 02:31 |  #6987

jwcdds wrote in post #15677129 (external link)
You have to remember this lens is old design/tech.

Nikon just announced a new 80-400 so maybe we'll finally see an upgrade to this lens.


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Mar 05, 2013 04:03 |  #6988

I dont seem to have that much of a problem with my 100-400.

This pic was taken with the 100-400 lens matched to a 1dx. It was hand held as the venue wouldn't allow tripods or monopods.

Lighting was not the best so I bumped iso up to 3200, aperture was f5.6, focal length was 260 and shutter speed was only 1/80 (but I was panning the vehicle). Still came out reasonably sharp.

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Mar 05, 2013 04:20 |  #6989

nice shot again doofus.

I don't think anyones saying it's crap in low light as such, it's more that it's superb in good light but does reduce that superbness quickly as the light fades, and it's keeper % rate lowers fairly quickly with that. It also depends on the subject too I have found, and how "edgy" it is. I understand this is more a function of the camera autofocus as well, and we all know how special the 1Dx is but it's just something I have noticed with my punter level bodies. Compare that to my 135L that is very consistant in how well and fast it focuses regardless of the amount of light.....up to a point of course. I'm sure being able to focus at F/2 has a lot to do with that!

Here is one in very poor light taken with my 50D a few years back with the 100-400 at 1/80, also handheld. It will grab them for sure, but for me anyway, at 80th, it's more me than the gear who fails at this pan speed with that shutter speed!!


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Mar 05, 2013 04:35 |  #6990

Love the flames pixel basher. My local drag venue has Nitro funny cars happening in a couple of weeks time, so very keen to check them out and get a few pics.

Another one from the other night. Iso 800, f5.6, 250 focal length & 1/500 shutter speed.

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