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Mar 04, 2013 16:07 |  #1

Hi all,

So although I have no problem with my 40D, lately I've been looking at upgrading. My first thought was the 7D, mainly for the 100% viewfinder & electronic leveling.

Then I looked at the cost of a second hand 5D mk2, and it has got me thinking. I wasn't planning on going full-frame just yet, but I suppose if I can be convinced I'll make the leap.

I primarily do landscape photography, with the added bonus of getting good family photos.

Below is a quick cost analysis I did showing how much it will cost me to upgrade my body & lenses, based on market value.

Would really appreciate what people have to say on what I can expect by upgrading to this gear - I need to be sold or talked out of this!

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Mar 04, 2013 16:25 |  #2

I did the whole upgrade thing a year ago with a T1i to 5Dii. Had to do a lot of lens switching too -
I sold my 18-55mm lens, my 15-85mm lens, 50mm f/1.8 and just recently my 70-200L f/4 IS and ended up purchasing 24-104mm, 50mm f/1.4 and 100-400mmL. So it was co$tly to upgrade, more than I would have initially thought.
But I am head over heels with my current set up, pictures are absolutely amazing and the only thing I really missed was the additional 'reach' of a crop camera. Buying the 100-400mmL cured that and now I am good to go.
You are wise to break down the cost BEFORE purchasing, I probably should have. And I would think the 7D would be a great choice, except the 5DII really outshines it is high ISO and low noise, and that was very important to me.
Good luck with your decision.


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Mar 04, 2013 16:29 |  #3

If landscaping only and no need for low light night shooting, I say save the money for more glass or accessory.
If portrait makes a big difference in what you do for family, then go for it. You will surely see an improvement in general result you get with 5D's sensor but probably miss that 10-20.


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Mar 04, 2013 16:46 |  #4

michgirl wrote in post #15676505 (external link)
Good luck with your decision.

Thanks for that. I suppose if I upgrade to a 7D (which will only cost me a few hundred as opposed to around $1.5k for going full frame), I can always move up to full frame later when I'm ready. I certainly don't want to upgrade for the fun of it!

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If landscaping only and no need for low light night shooting, I say save the money for more glass or accessory.
If portrait makes a big difference in what you do for family, then go for it. You will surely see an improvement in general result you get with 5D's sensor but probably miss that 10-20.

In terms of my lens & acessory setup at the moment, I'm pretty content and can't see myself spending too much, except for a few more filters.

The family stuff is nothing serious, just getting in-focus and printable images from family events - the 40D & Sigma 17-50 2.8 does this great - so this isn't really a concern for me. Either the 7D or 5D2 is going to provide a tremendous upgrade for ISO performance from my 40D (which is limited to a grainy 1600).

And what makes you say I'll miss the 10-20? Doesn't the 17-40 provide the equivalent (and superior IQ I'd hope), albeit with a 1mm difference in coverage?


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Mar 04, 2013 16:57 |  #5

If you don't print much even a modern P&S will do.

I use a 7D primarily sports and PP when needed and the smallest print i do regularly is 16x20, it can be as someone termed a "noise monster" but most times with some PP it's all good.

Seriously though if you don't print, post process much really even a modern P&S is more than enough.




  
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Mar 04, 2013 17:26 |  #6

You don't really seem to have much of a reason for going to a 5DII. Its going to cost you lots of money, and you'll only really notice the difference if pixel peeping and printing huge. If you don't do either of those, there is not much point going FF, you might as well save the money.

Also, if you do go FF, you don't need to replace your 17-50 with the heavy and expensive 24-70. You'll gain more than 1 stop ISO performance going FF, so you can replace it with the 24-105 which is much cheaper and keeps IS. A 17-40 will replace your 10-20 quite nicely, so you won't miss it.


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Mar 04, 2013 17:45 |  #7

I'm looking for something better than my 40D and am waiting on the 70D due out later this month and the 7DII(?) later this summer.

I shoot a lot of family stuff, primarily with the EFS 17-55, and don't see a any reason to move to full frame. I also shoot landscape and some sports/wildlife.


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Mar 04, 2013 17:46 as a reply to  @ Sirrith's post |  #8

Unless there is something specific about your current setup that you don't like and going FF is going to mitigate, then I say stay with the crop. FF isn't going to magically turn you into a better photographer and the 7D has a lot going for it that the 5DII does not have.

Some people have mentioned specific things that they don't like about their current setup and for some of them going FF is the answer, but I don't see that in your case.


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Mar 04, 2013 18:07 |  #9

GoneMissed wrote in post #15676436 (external link)
I primarily do landscape photography, with the added bonus of getting good family photos.

I agree, for those purposes you do not need full frame. But hey, if you want to spend the money go for it!




  
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Mar 04, 2013 18:09 |  #10

You could go with a t2i which basically has the same sensor as the 7D. For landscapes and portraits you shouldn't need many of the other features the 7D has to offer. Plus you can keep your current lens collection. The olny drawback is that it's a rebel body and some users shy away from that.

Another option if considering FF would be a 5D Classic and maybe a EF 24-105 f/4 IS USM lens. For landscape and portraits that combo is golden. An original 5D in excellent condition can be had for as little as $550 and a 24-105 f/4 can be found new for as low as $700 if you look around at some of the deals.


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Mar 04, 2013 18:34 |  #11

Much appreciated all - you may have all saved me over a thousand dollars I didn't need to spend!

I think I'll definitely go the 7D over the 55D, mainly for the weather sealing, but better build quality and those features will come handy from time to time.


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Mar 04, 2013 18:35 |  #12

auto-clicker wrote in post #15676615 (external link)
Seriously though if you don't print, post process much really even a modern P&S is more than enough.

More than enough for what? To see what the camera was pointed at?




  
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Mar 04, 2013 18:49 |  #13

auto-clicker wrote in post #15676615 (external link)
If you don't print much even a modern P&S will do.

I use a 7D primarily sports and PP when needed and the smallest print i do regularly is 16x20, it can be as someone termed a "noise monster" but most times with some PP it's all good.

Seriously though if you don't print, post process much really even a modern P&S is more than enough.

Same here, but I usually only print at 13x19 for my ISO 6400 and 12800 shots.

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Mar 04, 2013 18:51 |  #14

TeamSpeed wrote in post #15677019 (external link)
Same here, but I usually only print at 13x19 for my ISO 6400 and 12800 shots.

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Mar 04, 2013 19:32 |  #15

FredM wrote in post #15676966 (external link)
More than enough for what? To see what the camera was pointed at?

To take great photos for online and pc viewing.


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