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Mar 08, 2013 22:02 |  #1

Thinking of purchasing a Monitor calibration device, so far I think it's going to be a Spyder 4.

Good choice?

I've read that they can also calibrate an iPad....I was wondering how they would do this?


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Mar 08, 2013 22:48 |  #2

I've done the iPad calibration and it's a waste of time (gimmick).

I had a Spyder3Pro that worked fine and now I use a NEC supplied i1 Display Pro that does a great job. The following site may help:

http://Www.imagescienc​e.com.au …de+to+Monitor+C​alibrators (external link)


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Mar 08, 2013 23:58 |  #3

Spyder3Pro for me....works great.


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Mar 09, 2013 00:12 |  #4

Im going to follow thie thread with interest, I've calibrated my monitor using basic software and it simply does not work when printing.


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Mar 09, 2013 02:48 |  #5

Milutiche wrote in post #15694169 (external link)
Im going to follow thie thread with interest, I've calibrated my monitor using basic software and it simply does not work when printing.

Calibrating your monitor has no affect on the colour that you will get on your printer. They are different types of displays, the monitor can only display colours that are within the gamut that it is capable of and your printer is a "printer" and the colour you are seeing is the light that is reflected back from the printed image and not a "display". What you will see on your monitor also depends on its ability to display a given range of colours, for example, a TN monitor will display a smaller colour gamut than an IPS monitor. As well, the "working" colour space (sRGB, Adobe RGB, etc.) that you use with your software will also influence the display of colour that you see on your monitor. Of course, if your monitor is not calibrated, then you are left with colours that the monitor was "calibrated" for when it left the factory. These may have no relationship to any particular colour space at all. As well, most monitors are set with a "brightness" that is too bright for most "photography post processing" work.

If you want to get a better production of colour by your printer, then you will need to use a paper with a known ICC profile. The software that you use to print must be capable of interpreting the ICC profile to the printer. ICC profiles can usually be downloaded from the paper manufacturer's site for free.

Fotoworx, I have used the Spyder 3 and I am now using the Spyder4, which is the latest update to the DataColor monitor software/hardware combination. They work quite well for me and match my two ASUS PA246Q monitors quite closely. HTH.

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Mar 09, 2013 02:50 |  #6

IF you calibrate your monitor for sRGB and print sRGB, you get pretty good match.


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Mar 09, 2013 02:58 as a reply to  @ tkbslc's post |  #7

So, is this thread saying that monitor calibration is not really critical and can be disregarded provided ICC profiling is carried out? I am just about to purchase a monitor calibration item but will save the money if I am not really going to produce a better outcome, or at least one that is inline with what I was expecting when I pressed the print button


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Mar 09, 2013 03:16 |  #8

Plumtreelad wrote in post #15694348 (external link)
So, is this thread saying that monitor calibration is not really critical and can be disregarded provided ICC profiling is carried out? I am just about to purchase a monitor calibration item but will save the money if I am not really going to produce a better outcome, or at least one that is inline with what I was expecting when I pressed the print button

If you are going to be "picky" about print colors, then you need to calibrate your monitor and use the ICC profile for the printer/ink/paper combination to "Soft Proof" and set up actions or presets to "fine tune" your software so that your software preview matches your prints.

Otherwise, you need to lower the brightness of your monitor so that when you adjust brightness your prints will "match" the monitor and set your monitor to a color "tone" that looks good for photos, and then get some test prints to verify that things are OK.


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Mar 09, 2013 03:28 |  #9

I think there are different levels of color matching. For me, with my uncalibrated monitor, I'd get prints back from the lab and the skin would be super pink. I don't care if it matches the EXACT RGB values of my monitor pixel, but I don't want pink or yellow when I print skin color. I also don't want dark prints when the look bright on my monitor. Basic calibration gets you with that last few percent and then if you need color match perfection you have to start doing paper profiles and daily calibration with viewing tables and all that crap.

I'm fine with 95% match.


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Mar 09, 2013 04:02 |  #10

Plumtreelad wrote in post #15694348 (external link)
So, is this thread saying that monitor calibration is not really critical and can be disregarded provided ICC profiling is carried out? I am just about to purchase a monitor calibration item but will save the money if I am not really going to produce a better outcome, or at least one that is inline with what I was expecting when I pressed the print button

No, thats not what we are saying at all. But while its important, having a calibrated monitor is not the only step you need to take. Using ICC profiles for the various papers you use is also important.


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Mar 09, 2013 04:29 |  #11

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No, thats not what we are saying at all. But while its important, having a calibrated monitor is not the only step you need to take. Using ICC profiles for the various papers you use is also important.

OK. Next question (If I am allowed to piggy back on the original OP) which do you do first? Calibrate monitor or ICC profile, or does it not matter. You can see from this question that I am not really into the printing side of photography but beginning to see its attraction.


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Mar 09, 2013 05:06 |  #12

Plumtreelad wrote in post #15694446 (external link)
OK. Next question (If I am allowed to piggy back on the original OP) which do you do first? Calibrate monitor or ICC profile, or does it not matter. You can see from this question that I am not really into the printing side of photography but beginning to see its attraction.

Its not as simple as one or the other, you need both. Downloading the ICC paper profiles from the manufacturers web site is free and quick while a monitor calibration device means you need to go shopping.


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Mar 09, 2013 05:13 |  #13

tkbslc wrote in post #15694344 (external link)
IF you calibrate your monitor for sRGB and print sRGB, you get pretty good match.

A. You don't calibrate "for sRGB". You calibrate by setting brightness and contrast to match the way a print will appear under the usual illumination in which it will be viewed. The gamut of the monitor will be determined by its physical nature - close to sRGB for normal monitors, closer to Adobe RGB for "wide gamut" monitors. You profile that gamut so color managed software will know how to adjust the display.
B. Editing and exporting in sRGB is best for sending your images out to a lab, but if you print with a decent inkjet there is a good chance that it is capable of a wider gamut than sRGB and maybe even greater than Adobe RGB. By sending it sRGB you are sacrificing that extra gamut. Below is a comparison of four color spaces: The smallest green triangle is sRGB, the red triangle is my monitor, the blue is Adobe RGB and the black is the gamut my Epson R1900 can produce on Epson Premium Luster. Those extra oranges, yellows and greens may not be always needed, but for a lot of my subjects they are very welcome.

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So, is this thread saying that monitor calibration is not really critical and can be disregarded provided ICC profiling is carried out? I am just about to purchase a monitor calibration item but will save the money if I am not really going to produce a better outcome, or at least one that is inline with what I was expecting when I pressed the print button

Without an accurate monitor profile, color management is meaningless. My monitor (Dell U2311H) happens to be quite close to sRGB, 96% as you can see, and if I were to use sRGB as a monitor profile the difference would not be very large, but your monitor might be very different. My Toshiba laptop, for instance, is only 79% of sRGB.


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Mar 09, 2013 05:17 |  #14

Elie,

Interesting that you have that graph. My gretamacbeth eye-one display 2 does not offer me that, just a graph showing how its tweaked the different colour channels.


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Mar 09, 2013 05:42 |  #15

Richard,
The Spyder shows a diagram of the monitor space versus either sRGB or Adobe RGB. To make the illustration above I blended the two diagrams and added the printer space triangle based on a comparison of the printer gamut with Adobe RGB from the Dry Creek.com web site.


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