Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Index  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear  •   • Reviews
Guest
New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear  •   • Reviews
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Canon Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon EF and EF-S Lenses 
Thread started 16 Mar 2013 (Saturday) 18:27
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)

Opinions? 70-200 2.8 or 200 2.8?

 
Nellas
Senior Member
438 posts
Joined Feb 2005
     
Mar 16, 2013 18:27 |  #1

Hello all!

Here is a little background for you: I recently upgraded my camera body and feel it is now time to upgrade my glass as well, since I'm starting to book jobs for weddings and portrait sessions. I'm looking for a good, low-light capable telephoto lens to replace my Sigma 70-300 4.5-5.6 and would like this to be an upgrade that lasts many years to come. My favorite current lens is my 85 1.8 prime as the quality is superb and can not compare to any of my zooms, but at the same time zooms give flexibility.

Do you all have a vote or opinion as of whether you feel the prime would suffice well, or whether to get the zoom? I mostly want the far end of the mm scale (200), so am not sure if it's worth the extra $500 that the zoom costs, especially since I already have the 85 mm range covered. Opinions, advice?

Thanks! (P.s. The 200mm costs $769 and the 70-200 costs $1300)


  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)
Motor ­ On
Senior Member
Avatar
941 posts
Likes: 50
Joined Feb 2007
     
Mar 16, 2013 18:35 |  #2

What other lenses are in your kit currently, I see you mentioned the 85 1.8, is that it?


Website (external link) | Facebook (external link) | Instagram (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Nightdiver13
Unabashed nerd!
Avatar
2,272 posts
Likes: 38
Joined May 2010
Location: Bigfoot Country
     
Mar 16, 2013 18:37 |  #3

Flexibility with that focal range is very handy, especially in wedding situations. Considering your intended use, I wouldn't even consider a non-IS version of the 70-200mm. If you can afford it, go straight to the 70-200 2.8 IS II. If not, get the Sigma 70-200 OS.


Neil

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Nellas
THREAD ­ STARTER
Senior Member
438 posts
Joined Feb 2005
     
Mar 16, 2013 18:48 |  #4

Motor On: As mentioned, I'm in the process of upgrades, but obviously can't afford to do everything at once. :) I have a 24-70 2.8 (and also plan to get a 10-16 2.8), the 85 1.8, and soon to be new telephoto. )The kit lens doesn't count as it's a piece of junk.)

Nightdiver13: Thanks for your opinion! I definitely can't afford the IS version, sad to say. In a perfect world that would be the ultimate choice, but for a youngster starting out it's not realistic.


  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
nes_matt
Goldmember
Avatar
1,022 posts
Likes: 13
Joined Aug 2010
     
Mar 16, 2013 18:54 |  #5

Nightdiver13 wrote in post #15722504 (external link)
Flexibility with that focal range is very handy, especially in wedding situations. Considering your intended use, I wouldn't even consider a non-IS version of the 70-200mm. If you can afford it, go straight to the 70-200 2.8 IS II. If not, get the Sigma 70-200 OS.

I agree completely. Go with the zoom. Go for f2.8. And go for IS/OS. The Sigma is excellent. I'm sure it's not not as pixel peeping sharp as the Canon, but you won't notice that if you have the Canon AND camera shake. $1250 for the sigma with OS.


Canon 6D & Rebel T1i | Tokina 11-16 F2.8 | Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 EX DC Macro | Nifty-Fifty |85mm f1.8 | Canon 24-105 F4 | Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX DG OS HSM
Flickr photo stream (external link)
Portfolio (external link)
Facebook Page (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Motor ­ On
Senior Member
Avatar
941 posts
Likes: 50
Joined Feb 2007
     
Mar 16, 2013 19:01 |  #6

Nellas wrote in post #15722521 (external link)
Motor On: As mentioned, I'm in the process of upgrades, but obviously can't afford to do everything at once. :) I have a 24-70 2.8 (and also plan to get a 10-16 2.8), the 85 1.8, and soon to be new telephoto. )The kit lens doesn't count as it's a piece of junk.)

Ok, then I think the zoom flexibility may be more desirable. I was thinking the 200 prime and a used 35L might be more beneficial if you didn't have a wide option in the bag already. Also if you are willing to look at used and refurbished, the 200 2.8 and a 135 2 might be a better set of options at $1400, and offering an intermediate between 85 and 200.

I'd take the 70-200 non IS over the third party options based on my testing. (external link) And if you're going to be using a flash in your venues then I don't think IS is going to be as critical either.

Shooting weddings and on a budget I'd recommend paying attention to CreativeLive's Facebook this weekend, they've got a wedding photographer on for a 3 day course and ran a rebroadcast of day one last night and day two today, day 3 is tomorrow. I picked up a few portrait tips, but they're working in the wedding paradigm, and focusing on the skills and somewhat ignoring the gear so that you can put together those images. Have a better idea of how you'll use the gear and the answer to what gear may become significantly more apparent.


Website (external link) | Facebook (external link) | Instagram (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Mornnb
Goldmember
1,646 posts
Gallery: 6 photos
Likes: 23
Joined Aug 2012
Location: Sydney
     
Mar 16, 2013 21:55 |  #7

I would go with the prime option, you won't be disappointed. And you can get both the 135mm f2 and the 200mm 2.8 for less than the price of a 70-200mm 2.8 IS, and you will have the same image quality and performance in much more compact and light less attention attracting packages. To me the zoom makes no sense with its cost and bulk. I'd rather be lens swapping than hauling around 1.5 kilos of glass.


Canon 5D Mark III - Leica M240
EF 16-35mm F/4 IS L - EF 14mm f/2.8 L II - - EF 17mm TS-E L - EF 24-70mm f/2.8 L II - EF 70-200mm IS II f/2.8 L - Sigma 35mm f/1.4 Art - Sigma 85mm f/1.4 EX
Voigtlander 15mm III - 28mm Elmarit-M ASPH - 35mm f/1.4 Summilux-M FLE - 50mm f/1.4 Summilux-M ASPH
500px (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Nellas
THREAD ­ STARTER
Senior Member
438 posts
Joined Feb 2005
     
Mar 16, 2013 23:01 |  #8

Thanks so much for the opinions and excellent feedback everyone (whew this forum moves fast!) Please keep it coming! I'm tending to lean most towards the 200 2.8 at this point, for the reason Mornnb mentioned - the smaller amount of weight and less "attention seeking factor", not to mention price. But still open to hearing feedback and haven't decided for sure.

The fewer lenses to carry, the better, so at this point I'm not considering adding a 135, but thanks for suggesting!


  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
ShutterBugL
Member
Avatar
83 posts
Joined Apr 2006
     
Mar 17, 2013 01:30 |  #9

Primes generally have better IQ than zooms, but the IQ differential seems to be narrow nowadays. If you are shooting a wedding, as opposed to studio portraiture, a zoom will involve less lens-changing and may mean the difference between getting the shot and not.

Primes are individually smaller than zooms, but a collection of primes to cover the same range as, say, a 70-200, will take more space than a single zoom. Space/weight savings may not be achieved by going with primes, unless you mean you are only going to have one prime...


Flickr (external link)|500px (external link)|5DSR|a7R2|24-70LII|70-200LII|EF15|TSE17|35L|​40|85LII|100L|MP-E65|SEL35|CV21f1.8|Eps​on SureColor P807

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
SkyBaby
Goldmember
1,202 posts
Gallery: 19 photos
Likes: 14
Joined Dec 2009
Location: Tehachapi, CA
     
Mar 17, 2013 01:41 |  #10

Primes do have better image quality than zooms. I would never choose a prime for a 200mm+ focal length, but that's just me. I like zoom. With those two particular lenses, you'll likely only notice a difference if you pixel peep. If I were you, I'd get the Sigma 70-200mm OS. That's actually on my wish list.


~Kira~
Check out my Flickr for lots of aviation and nature related photography: http://www.flickr.com/​photos/skys_flickr/
Check out my Facebook fan page for my best of the best imagery. Give it a thumbs up if you like what you see! https://www.facebook.c​om/PhotographybyKiraAn​dreola (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
LowriderS10
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
10,170 posts
Likes: 8
Joined Mar 2008
Location: South Korea / Canada
     
Mar 17, 2013 01:57 |  #11

70-400 f4L IS. Or a Tamron/Sigma stabilized 70-200 2.8.


-=Prints For Sale at PIXELS=- (external link)
-=Facebook=- (external link)
-=Flickr=- (external link)

-=Gear=-

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Mornnb
Goldmember
1,646 posts
Gallery: 6 photos
Likes: 23
Joined Aug 2012
Location: Sydney
     
Mar 17, 2013 02:56 |  #12

ShutterBugL wrote in post #15723457 (external link)
Primes are individually smaller than zooms, but a collection of primes to cover the same range as, say, a 70-200, will take more space than a single zoom. Space/weight savings may not be achieved by going with primes, unless you mean you are only going to have one prime...

It's a lot easier to handle a couple of primes in your pack, than a single big and heavy zoom in your hands.

You have a point however with weddings, if lens swapping risks losing shots.


Canon 5D Mark III - Leica M240
EF 16-35mm F/4 IS L - EF 14mm f/2.8 L II - - EF 17mm TS-E L - EF 24-70mm f/2.8 L II - EF 70-200mm IS II f/2.8 L - Sigma 35mm f/1.4 Art - Sigma 85mm f/1.4 EX
Voigtlander 15mm III - 28mm Elmarit-M ASPH - 35mm f/1.4 Summilux-M FLE - 50mm f/1.4 Summilux-M ASPH
500px (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
kin2son
Goldmember
4,546 posts
Likes: 3
Joined May 2011
Location: Sydney, Australia
     
Mar 17, 2013 03:04 |  #13
bannedPermanent ban

Primes is great (I love them). But I wouldn't recommend it for event shooters unless 1) you have 2 bodies and 2) you are extremely experienced and knows exactly what you are doing.

Flexibility alone is enough reason to go with a zoom for weddings/events work.


5D3 Gripped / 17-40L / Σ35 / 40 Pancake / Zeiss 50 MP / Σ85 / 100L Macro / 70-200 f2.8L II IS / 430 EX II / 580 EX II / Canon 2xIII TC / Kenko Ext. Tubes
EOS M / EF-M 18-55 / EF-M 22f2 / Ricoh GR aka Ultimate street camera :p
Flickr (external link) | My Images on Getty®‎ (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
NemethR
Senior Member
Avatar
862 posts
Gallery: 1 photo
Likes: 203
Joined Jun 2012
Location: Pécs, Hungary
     
Mar 17, 2013 03:39 |  #14

Nellas wrote in post #15722521 (external link)
I definitely can't afford the IS version, sad to say. In a perfect world that would be the ultimate choice, but for a youngster starting out it's not realistic.

In that case, what I would really recommend, is the 70-200 f/4 L IS USM.
It is not a cheap lens, but trust me, as I used it for some time, it is worth every single penny you pay for it.

The Image quality and sharpness are second to none in that prise range, the IS helps a lot, whan handheld, for portraits, or panning. Sure you need to save a little bit more money, but check prizes, it is a relatively new lens, so you can't really go wrong with a used one either.


Roland | Hobbyst Photographer
Nikon D850 | Nikon 70-200 f/2.8G VR II | Nikon 85mm f/1.8G | Nikon 35mm f/1.8G

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
bwfishing
Member
185 posts
Likes: 3
Joined Mar 2013
     
Mar 21, 2013 20:37 as a reply to  @ NemethR's post |  #15

Okay, my quick 2 cents.

I think it depends on the way you shoot and your style at the end of the day. I would rent both lenses and try them out. There is a nice camera shop close to were I work and they offer rentals. Maybe you have one near you too? Also there are online rental companies as well. I just recently purchased the EF 200mm f/2.8L II USM Telephoto Lens mostly for wildlife shooting. I'm not sure the 200mm f2.8 not having IS will be a big factor for indoor shooting. I'm thinking you may not want to drop the shutter speed below 1/200 or you could get blurry images if you not using flash or tripod/monopod or have great hands then 1/60 maybe min. Flash is not always allowed inside a church. Weddings of course move too fast for a tripod in IMHO. The 70-200mm are so well liked because they are able to provide prime lens sharpness and bokeh once only found in prime lenses. Your clients would likely never understand or appreciate the difference, because the IQ is so much like a prime anyway. The 70-200mm is sharper from 70mm to 135mm than it is at 200mm IMHO, and I shoot at 200mm so the prime was the best choice for me. You maybe a "free to roam" toward the back and along the side kind of wedding shooter so the prime maybe a good fit. I would still try rent them both to make up my mind.

Also, wanted to include two of my favorite ways to buy lenses if renting is not for you.

used lenses

www.keh.com (external link)

Or Canon's Refurbished Lenses & Speedlites

http://shop.usa.canon.​com …gory_10051_1005​1_-1_22751 (external link)

They are over due for a month end sale were they have been taking an addtional 15%-20% and even 30% off lately...
They sold out of the 200mm f2.8, but the 70-200 f/4 L IS USM is just over 1K and thats not the sale price...

I hope this helps and happy shooting!


-Bruce

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)

3,977 views & 0 likes for this thread
Opinions? 70-200 2.8 or 200 2.8?
FORUMS Canon Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon EF and EF-S Lenses 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Index   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.1forum software
version 2.1 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is Charis
815 guests, 262 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.