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Mar 18, 2013 07:31 |  #1

Hello everyone. I used to read and post here very actively until a couple of years ago when I slacked off.

I would like to get some advice on the current batch of cameras out now. My old faithful 20D was stolen over the weekend (along with my Canon 17-55 2.8 lens on it.) So I need a replacement camera but I really have to admit that I haven't kept up with the latest advances in bodies.

Just so you know a little about me and how I shoot to offer better advice :

I am not interested at all in any video feature.
Live view / LCD screen is nice but not necessary.
I don't shoot any fast paced subjects like action shot or sports. My puppies are about the fasted things I shoot and my 20D + Canon 17-55 2.8 captured them excellent.
I do shoot a lot of vacation/travel photos. Most on a cruise ship that I contract out with 2-3 times per year.
I do shoot low light photos at bars/clubs for friends who own these places and use me to update their websites with new material after one of their events.
I usually shoot M in the low light situations, and really don't need a handful of custom Fnc modes. (never used the ones I had on anything else)

A used camera is fine by me. I understand that my shooting style and last camera body was a bit outdated, but I never found myself looking at my 20D and thinking "I wish this camera had....."

Going to have to sell a couple of lens to fund this purchase.

Man this sucks. But thanks for all the replies and advice in advance.


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Mar 18, 2013 07:38 |  #2

There are some great deals on the 60D right now (current model in the same series as 20D). $750 for the body on Amazon.

Canon is making a DSLR announcement on Friday. Some rumors say the 70D is going to be announced and some say it isn't. Either way, I doubt it's going to be available for some time, and I wouldn't want to buy anything at full retail myself.


As I'm sure you know, 17-55 is the best standard zoom lens on crop so if you want something of that caliber, you're going to have to re-buy it. Tamron and Sigma's both make 17-50s which are fairly decent alternatives.




  
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Mar 18, 2013 07:38 |  #3

Sounds like you need a 6D.


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Mar 18, 2013 08:00 |  #4

Refurb 60D is $611.99.

http://shop.usa.canon.​com …uct_10051_10051​_276387_-1 (external link)

If you want to step up to the 7D, it's $1019.32


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Mar 18, 2013 08:03 |  #5

Kponds - Yes, I am going to have to buy the canon lens again. I do have the Tamron 17-50 2.8 (both non VC and VC) and I love that little lens to death. It is generally my work horse lens except in low light and for my puppy (where a bit faster AF is needed) But I find the IQ to be a bit sharper and the colors a bit "warmer" than my Canon 17-55 2.8


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Mar 18, 2013 08:03 |  #6

What is your budget? That may help limit the suggestions.

Based on the fact that you were happy with the 20D and your shooting scenarios, it doesn't seem like you need to make the jump to full frame unless you want to. The newer crop cameras perform even better in low light than your 20D. If you prefer the same robust build quality as the 20D, look at the Canon 60D and 7D. However, kponds is right that both are due to be replaced relatively soon (summer perhaps?). If you don't need a pro level body and/or budget is an issue, check out a used T2i (aka. 550D). The T2i shares the same sensor with the 7D, 60D, and T3i (aka, 600D). It has all the features you need and will perform better in low light than the 20D. The fact that it's a couple years old and still using the same sensor as the 7D makes it a really good bang for the buck on the secondary market.

Aside from budget, let us know if the size, build quality, and pro features like weather sealing are important to you. Cheers.


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Mar 18, 2013 08:53 |  #7

gfspencer wrote in post #15727451 (external link)
Sounds like you need a 6D.

+1 if it is in budget. The kit price is pretty sweet. My camera use is pretty similar to yours. My 6D will be here on Wed.




  
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Mar 18, 2013 09:22 |  #8

I would recommend the 60D. B&H has it rightn ow for $900, body only. Best Buy has the same for $750. Might find for less if you shop around a bit. There is a lot of sales on it right now, rumor has it that Canon is getting ready to annouce the 70D, so they may be clearing stock.


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Mar 18, 2013 10:15 |  #9

If you were happy with the 20d and are happy to go secondhand you could pick up a used 40d for small money. It is similar to the 20d, has slightly better focus system (9cross points), slightly higher fps (6.3 vs 5) and slightly higher resolution at 10mp vs 8, so it is basically your old camera with a few improvements. The 50d is also a consideration with 15mp and a really improved screen but having used both I prefer the 40d for its image quality


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Mar 18, 2013 10:27 |  #10

ClickClick wrote in post #15727495 (external link)
Kponds - Yes, I am going to have to buy the canon lens again. I do have the Tamron 17-50 2.8 (both non VC and VC) and I love that little lens to death. It is generally my work horse lens except in low light and for my puppy (where a bit faster AF is needed) But I find the IQ to be a bit sharper and the colors a bit "warmer" than my Canon 17-55 2.8

Sorry for loss of your camera and lens.
60D will gives you extra ISO range for low light and you could still use Tammy glass.


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Mar 18, 2013 10:36 |  #11

Sorry to hear your camrea was stolen...

Coming from 20D, you'll see 1.5 to 2 stops higher usable ISO with any of the 18MP crop sensor models right now, including the 60D. You'll just have to scale back on any pixel peeping you're in the habit of doing.... Looking at a 20D image at 100% on your computer monitor is like making a 3 foot wide print from it. 100% with the much higher resolution images from the 18MP cameras is like making a 4-1/2 foot wide print and viewing it from the same distance. Going from 12 bit to 14 bit also means better image quality, along with much larger files that might need updated software to handle them. (Depends upon what s'ware you have... when I went from 30D to 50D I had to update Photoshop as well as my operating system... ended up just buying a new computer!)

You could get a used 50D, a very nice camera that's quite similar in size, shape, layout and controls to your 20D (more-so than the 60D, which uses a bit different controls and layout.) Compared with the 15MP 50D you'd see about 1 stop higher usable ISO for that low light shooting.

You can't avoid video on the current models. They all have it. They all also have Live View. Even the 50D has Live View (but it doesn't have video). The 60D's articulated LCD screen can be handy for low or high angle shots, along with video. It also can be turned face-in, to protect it while shooting or in storage. 50D and 7D don't have an articulated screen.

60D's AF system is very similar to 40D and 50D, a nice step up from 20D/30D's but an easy change to make since it still feels very familiar. The 7D has essentially the same imaging and high ISO capabilities as the 60D, but is bigger/heavier, more durable and fitted out with a much fancier AF system. But many of the 7D's bells and whistles are related to AI Servo shooting with moving subjects, sports/action. It would probably be overkill for your purposes.

If you don't have any or few crop-specific lenses remaining, this may be a good opportunity to change to full frame if interested in doing so. The 6D might be worth a look. This would give you around 2.5-3 stop higher usable high ISO for low light RAW image files... even more if shooting JPEGs. It would also give better low light autofocus performance (Canon rates it to -3 EV, which is approximately moonlight). The 6D is more compact and lighter than any of the other FF Canon. It uses a control layout similar to the 60D's.... a bit different from what you are accustomed to. Of course, a 6D is a lot more expensive than 60D.

Another full frame possibility, used 5D Mark II might serve very well for most of your purposes, too, giving similar high ISO performance with RAW images, but JPEGs and not quite as usable AF in low light (-1 EV). With 5DII, you'd likely want to stick with Center AF Point only when shooting moving subjects like dogs. It's not the best camera for AI Servo/sports/action... but can manage if expectations aren't too high! 5DII controls would feel very familiar to you. It's AF looks and is similar to 20D's, too. There are some good deals on used 5D Mark II right now.

I'm going to assume 5D Mark III is out of the question due to price.

With these 18 to 22MP cameras you might need bigger/faster memory cards. 60D and 6D both use SD memory instead of Compact Flash, anyway... so you may need to budget for this as well. It's possible too that you'll find you want to do some computer upgrades such as faster processor and/or more RAM and/or additional hard drive storage space to handle the much larger files you'll be dealing with.

Hope this helps!


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Mar 18, 2013 12:50 |  #12

For what you shoot, I would consider a full frame to get the most out of those low light high iso shoots you do. Depending on your budget, you have a choice between the 5Dc, 5Dii, 6D or 5Diii.


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Mar 18, 2013 20:00 |  #13

Ceece911 wrote in post #15728417 (external link)
For what you shoot, I would consider a full frame to get the most out of those low light high iso shoots you do. Depending on your budget, you have a choice between the 5Dc, 5Dii, 6D or 5Diii.

5Dc for high ISO shots? With ISO 3200 extended?:rolleyes:


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Mar 18, 2013 20:07 |  #14

Budget approach - used 40D. Actually quite a bit nicer than the old 20D but still quite similar.

For only a little more though I would really look at the 60D. I think you might appreciate the slightly smaller form and the later sensors are quite a nice step up in high ISO noise ability from the 20D.

The change point in 1.6X sensors getting a nice bit better was between the 50D (which is about the same as the 20D/30D/40D) and the 60D / 7D.


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Mar 18, 2013 20:11 |  #15

I'd say go for the 60D.

But did you say you have both the Tamron 17-50 VC and non VC? And you had the Canon 17-55? Why? Just curious.


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