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Mar 18, 2013 18:11 |  #1

Has the digital era changed photography much more than was ever possible in the darkroom?

Is more done to the image now after the click of the shutter than ever before?

How many of your photos would make the grade printed straight from your camera?

Has the digital era contrived the Computer Photographer?


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Mar 18, 2013 18:15 |  #2

I think so, I mean there's so much you can do to photos because of the Computer, I didn't do any darkroom stuff back in the day so I don't know but i'd imagine the computer has made things possible now that wasn't possible back in the day. Also ease of use and how quick it is to edit a photo and get it out there compared to back in the darkroom days.

I'd say 95% of the photos I take would do great without any lightroom work at all.


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Mar 18, 2013 18:21 |  #3

With the exception of P&S cameras and 1 hour photolabs, since when did pro photographers and/or film developers *not* do any post processing when it came to transferring the image from the negative to the paper? :lol:


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Mar 18, 2013 18:38 |  #4

Well, first off, the "straight from your camera" idea is not valid, and was not valid in the film world either. In film, shots had to be developed in the "wet darkroom" and then printed. "Straight from the camera" was, well, undeveloped film!

With digital, you start with Raw data, and to convert it to an image, it has to be either processed in your camera using your in-camera settings, or you have to bring it into the "digital darkroom", a Raw processor that you use to develop your digital "film".

So, what's your question, or maybe rather your hypothesis?

Now, it's true that with film there are some "creative choices" to make before taking the shot that with digital are either made before the shot (especially needed when shooting jpegs) or that can be made in the digital darkroom if shooting Raw.

For example, choice of film is important for film shooters that "care". Film is a factor in several image "features": Contrast, Saturation, sharpness and White Balance as well as the ASA/ISO are all part of film choice. Also, filters can be used to affect the color of a shot. Sure, all that goes into play before the shot. But then, all that would only "come together" in the wet darkroom, where someone had the skill to develop that film and bring out the best of the shot!

But does that make film "better" than digital? Not as far as I'm concerned, although I admit that in my "film days" I wasn't "into it" -- I used generic film and just looked to "get a shot". Sometimes I came out with nice results, ones that I'd send out for "enlarged" prints, but there were tons that just ended up either in a shoe box or the trash. And, I never stepped foot an a wet darkroom! Now, digital gave me a "new beginning"...and, I spend good time in the "digital darkroom"!


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Mar 18, 2013 18:59 |  #5

a better question would be, why is this brought up so often? dont people get tired of this discussion over and over?


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Mar 18, 2013 19:01 |  #6

DBNissan wrote in post #15729607 (external link)
With the exception of P&S cameras and 1 hour photolabs, since when did pro photographers and/or film developers *not* do any post processing when it came to transferring the image from the negative to the paper? :lol:

Well you do need to comprehend the question posed!

Second line -

Is more done to the image now after the click of the shutter than ever before?


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Mar 18, 2013 19:02 |  #7

team haymaker wrote in post #15729750 (external link)
a better question would be, why is this brought up so often? dont people get tired of this discussion over and over?

Always something new to say in these types of conversations. There are a lot of threads I skip over, but it's always fun to see what is being said when so many diverse opinions are being shared.




  
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Mar 18, 2013 19:12 |  #8

team haymaker wrote in post #15729750 (external link)
a better question would be, why is this brought up so often? dont people get tired of this discussion over and over?

Show me a single thread on POTN with 'Computer photographers ' in the heading.

Hey I might have coined a new photographic term! Remember you saw it here first ;)


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Mar 18, 2013 19:13 |  #9

fotoworx wrote in post #15729756 (external link)
Well you do need to comprehend the question posed!

Second line -

I understand your question. Have you not ever applied masks, done multiple exposures, etc in a dark room to do creative photos? The terminology for the actions in digital post processing came from the dark room.


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Mar 18, 2013 19:16 |  #10

fotoworx wrote in post #15729797 (external link)
Show me a single thread on POTN with 'Computer photographers ' in the heading.

Hey I might have coined a new photographic term! Remember you saw it here first ;)

I am a computer software developer and an photographer of 35 years that sometimes works for hire and other times for fun. I would never call myself or wish to be called a 'Computer Photographer'.

Coming from a film beginning and actually becoming disappointed when I heard technology was replacing it, I prefer the term 'Digital Darkroom'.




  
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Mar 18, 2013 19:25 |  #11

DBNissan wrote in post #15729802 (external link)
I understand your question. Have you not ever applied masks, done multiple exposures, etc in a dark room to do creative photos?

Only in my B&W wet lab, I never did colour.

And still my question is valid -

Has the digital era changed photography much more than was ever possible in the darkroom?


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Mar 18, 2013 19:34 as a reply to  @ Bear Dale's post |  #12

In B&W large format zone system is still king for control but when it comes to color you have so much more control than you ever had in the color darkroom. I have printed both custom color and B&W professionally and for my own personal work and I can do things with digital files that I could never do with color negatives or transparencies in a wet darkroom.

I can really control contrast with digital files. I can change color balance using quick mask in very minute areas. I can also control contrast in very small areas. The possibilities are so much greater with color digital than they ever were with color film.




  
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Mar 18, 2013 19:38 |  #13
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You have 3k posts and why are you asking this newbie questions.... There were and are always some post processing involved with film.


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Mar 18, 2013 19:41 |  #14

airfrogusmc wrote in post #15729907 (external link)
In B&W large format zone system is still king for control

^ Yes totally agree.

I think programs like Photoshop are just absolutely marvellous with giving us the ability to just do over and over, again and again in minutes (or hours) changes to a captured image.

30 years ago I don't think it was even a dream. I don't think anyone could have even dreamed of such thing!


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Mar 18, 2013 19:42 as a reply to  @ airfrogusmc's post |  #15

Computers are not much different from a wet darkroom in the fact the capture is only the first part of a two part process. The darkroom or computer finishes what is started when the capture was made. They are not and should not be separate but different parts of the same process.




  
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