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Mar 19, 2013 01:09 |  #1
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If passed, I don't see these bills making it thru the courts.
http://www.foxnews.com …farm-animal-abuse-videos/ (external link)


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Mar 19, 2013 11:41 |  #2

ScubaDude wrote in post #15730872 (external link)
If passed, I don't see these bills making it thru the courts.
http://www.foxnews.com …farm-animal-abuse-videos/ (external link)

Why not?

Don't forget... all of this is taking place on private property.


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Mar 19, 2013 12:23 |  #3

RTPVid wrote in post #15732136 (external link)
Why not?

Don't forget... all of this is taking place on private property.

So any crime is cool if it's on private property????


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Mar 19, 2013 12:59 |  #4

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So any crime is cool if it's on private property????

Where did I say that? Stop with the strawman arguments already.

Let's test your civics education. What is required for law enforcement to enter private property?

What is required for a private citizen to enter another private citizen's private property?


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Mar 19, 2013 20:57 |  #5

RTPVid wrote in post #15732421 (external link)
Where did I say that? Stop with the strawman arguments already.

Let's test your civics education. What is required for law enforcement to enter private property?

What is required for a private citizen to enter another private citizen's private property?

Law enforcement need one of those nifty sneak and peek warrants. ;)

Private citizen only needs a smile and a positive attitude. :D




  
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Mar 19, 2013 21:06 |  #6

rick_reno wrote in post #15734114 (external link)
Law enforcement need one of those nifty sneak and peek warrants. ;)

Private citizen only needs a smile and a positive attitude. :D

Actually, the private citizen needs the permission of the owner, which may frequently be obtained with a smile and a positive attitude! ;)


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RTPVid wrote in post #15732136 (external link)
Why not?

Don't forget... all of this is taking place on private property.

Because trespassing, which is already against the law, is separate from video taping (external link).


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Mar 19, 2013 21:08 |  #8

ScubaDude wrote in post #15734138 (external link)
Because trespassing, which is already against the law, is separate from video taping (external link).

True, so long as you are not on private property while doing the videotaping.


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True, so long as you are not on private property while doing the videotaping.

The courts don't agree with you. Even if you are illegally trespassing, your photography while trespassing is legal.


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Mar 19, 2013 21:16 |  #10

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The courts don't agree with you. Even if you are illegally trespassing, your photography while trespassing is legal.

The topic was not whether the act is currently legal, but whether the law making it illegal would be overturned in the courts. Since privacy laws are state statues, the state may choose to define additional protections in its privacy laws, including the privacy of agricultural businesses in their place of business (which are not normally open to the public), and they may choose to make lying on an employment application for purposes of conducting surveillance illegal. I don't know why such laws would be overturned by the courts. That's all I was originally saying.


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RTPVid wrote in post #15734167 (external link)
The topic was not whether the act is currently legal, but whether the law making it illegal would be overturned in the courts. Since privacy laws are state statues, the state may choose to define additional protections in its privacy laws, including the privacy of agricultural businesses in their place of business (which are not normally open to the public), and they may choose to make lying on an employment application for purposes of conducting surveillance illegal. I don't know why such laws would be overturned by the courts. That's all I was originally saying.

But, the issue of whether or not the photography is legal is a federal, not state, issue, and has already been settled (external link). Cases where lying has been held to be against the law have, primarily, only been found for things like fraud, perjury and slander/libel, which don't apply here. I just don't see it happening.


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Mar 21, 2013 23:05 |  #12

These are some stupid laws. Someone gets caught doing something bad, so they lobby to make the act of catching them doing wrong illegal. Some areas even make it illegal to film police officers on duty. However if you go on Youtube and look for people getting busted for that, most times they are asking for a problem anyway.


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