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Which would you choose for travel... 24-105+35L vs 24-70II

 
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Mar 22, 2013 18:59 |  #1

My 24-105L and 35L make up my key travel kit. I use the 24-105L throughout the day for landscapes, architecture, monuments, memory shots of the GF in exotic settings, etc. And I use the 35L in dark venues (restaurant/bars) in the evening. I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with the distortion on the wide end of the 24-105 but like the IS for shooting interiors of cathedrals, dungeons, cellars, and the like (which seem to pop up in my travels a fair amount). The 35L is great (at f2) for shooting my GF when were out for dinner or at a bar. However, my GF increasingly likes how she looks with my 85L so I'm using the 35L less (although the 85L is too long for practical restaurant/bar use and too heavy/bulky to pack around).

I'm wondering if I could get away with swapping both of these for the 24-70II and enjoy just the single lens for a day/evening in Rome (for example). The 24-70II would give me better subject isolation of my GF outdoors during the day at f2.8, less distortion on my wide scenery and architecture shots, and at f2.8 would probably offer reasonable shutter speeds in the evening. I guess the only thing I'd be giving up is the ability to shoot dark interiors hand-held, which as I say, is actually more common than you might expect. This is perhaps the biggest compromise.

If Canon offered a variant of the 24-70II with IS it would be a no brainier, but alas, it's not so easy.

I'm curious if anyone has switched from the 24-105 to the new 24-70II and really missed the IS (particularly for travel photography). Similarly, has anyone neglected/sold their 35L after adopting the new 24-70II?

On the other hand, maybe I should just stick with my trusty 24-105 and 35L... Dunno.


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Mar 22, 2013 19:33 |  #2

Maybe the Tamron 24-70 f2.8 VC give you what want.




  
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Mar 22, 2013 20:55 |  #3

lovemyram4x4 wrote in post #15744930 (external link)
Maybe the Tamron 24-70 f2.8 VC give you what want.

Good suggestion but I note from photo zone reviews the wide end distortion is only marginally better than the 24-105.


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Mar 22, 2013 21:11 |  #4

robonrome wrote in post #15745154 (external link)
Good suggestion but I note from photo zone reviews the wide end distortion is only marginally better than the 24-105.

Yes, but it has both f2.8 and image stabilization.
All it takes to correct distortion, is 1 click in Light Room :rolleyes:


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Mar 22, 2013 21:59 as a reply to  @ Anthon's post |  #5

To be honest, if not a bit irrational, I'm a Canon snob. As good as the Tamron might be, it's not for me.


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Mar 22, 2013 22:09 |  #6

Is your only issue with the 24-105 the distortion at wide angles? And is the 24-70 II THAT much better at distortion than the 24-105? Maybe adding a 17-40 is a better option than changing out the 24-105 for the 24-70. If you're not sure, try renting it for a week and see if it's worth the upgrade.


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Mar 22, 2013 22:12 |  #7

I thought of doing pretty much the same thing but I decided against it for now. 24-70 is really not a lot of range and having a fast L prime is a lot of fun to shoot with. I do like they made the new 24-70 smaller and lighter so I would not mind the size so much but its a lot to pay to gain 1 stop and loose 1.4, IS, extra range etc.

If I did it I would sell the 24-105, 24, 50 and get the 24-70 and sigma 35 but I can't bring myself to sell off 2 of my favorite lenses and most of the time I mix a prime or 2 with my UW. I really don't use my 24-105 all that much.


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Mar 22, 2013 22:13 |  #8

Anthon wrote in post #15745196 (external link)
Yes, but it has both f2.8 and image stabilization.
All it takes to correct distortion, is 1 click in Light Room :rolleyes:

Not sure why the roll eyes. If you read the OP they listed that as one of the things that bothered them about the 24-105 hence why I thought mentioning it worthwhile.


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Mar 22, 2013 22:39 |  #9

For low light scenery, an F4 lens with IS kills an f2.8 non-IS lens. For non-scenery shots, the f1.4 aperture is 2 whole stops faster. You might be at ISO 3200 instead of 12800.

I think your current kit is better.

If you want help with the distortion, perhaps the 24-70 F4 IS as it has less distortion than the F2.8 L II (but still pack the 35L for low light).


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Mar 22, 2013 23:33 |  #10

VirtualRain, I have both lens and hands down the 24-70 shines brighter. Distortion was my big issue as well. IS is great, but what really matters is your subject matter in low light. Building interiors don't move and IS is a huge advantage. IS really doesn't do much for you shooting people in low light unless the subject is very still - faster shutter speed counts here to keep your subject in focus. The 5D3 works wonders at higher ISO values. The trick to getting the most out this is shooting to the right in exposure and adjusting down in post processing. This assumes you're shooting raw. This workflow makes a huge difference in minimizing noise. It took me a while to wrap my head around this, but once I did I started getting great results. I shoot a lot of interiors all around the world and use a tripod/prime combo. For the grand opening events with people and no flash, I get my people in focus with fast shutter speeds. Missed why too shots of people using the 24-105 in these situations. Someone suggested renting and trying. This is great advice, but make sure you shoot this lens with a different approach or you may not see the full potential this combo offers. My copy of the 24-70 is almost too sharp. Its expensive but for me was totally with it. I'm in Moscow this week and picked up a 35L the night before I left. I'm itching to use it on this trip. My 24-105 is sitting at home. Good luck.


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Mar 23, 2013 00:01 |  #11

I have had them all. with out a doubt... 24-7O ll.


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Mar 23, 2013 01:48 |  #12

I was happy traveling with the 24-70ii, 16-35, and a 35L and 85L. During the day, its the 24-70, during the evening, its the primes. If knowing I need uw, the 16-35 comes along. I brought two bags. one to fit all your gear on the plane/car. The other is the small stealth bag. The 24-70 for the night time shots is a handicap compared to the primes. So I would stick with the 24-105 / 35 combo over just bringing the 24-70.


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Mar 23, 2013 11:04 |  #13

Thanks for the responses.

For dark interiors and evening bars/restaurants it seems like switching to the 24-70II is going to create more compromise to the extent it's not worth it. I guess I'm better off for my type of shooting with the IS on the 24-105 and the fast prime. That combo offers way more flexibility.

As for the distortion, I can correct that in software, and lately, I'm wanting to correct not only the barrel distortion, but also wide angle perspective distortion that has all my buildings leaning in or at unnatural angles on those 24mm shots. And I don't think the 24-70 can help with that. Only a tilt-shift lens would solve that, but for travel, it's not practical. I can also correct perspective in post and thats probably the most pragmatic approach for travel where kit minimalization is key. However, it is annoying to lose field of view due to the necessary cropping required to correct perspective. This is where the 17-40 someone suggested above could help, by providing me with a greater FOV to compensate for cropping from the perspective correction. But again, the 17-40 does not have IS, resulting in unwanted compromise for my darkish interior shots. It seems the 24-105 is the best travel lens... At least for my types of travel photography.

Oh, and Snake0ape, that's exactly my MO for bags too... A larger bag that fits all my gear for plane/car that otherwise stays in my room, and a smaller stealth bag that holds the 5D3 with attached lens and one other lens. On some days, I'll go super light with just the body/24-105 on my Sunsniper Pro.


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Mar 23, 2013 11:11 |  #14

VirtualRain wrote in post #15745290 (external link)
To be honest, if not a bit irrational, I'm a Canon snob. As good as the Tamron might be, it's not for me.

That's really unfortunate.

Canon(and nikon) is far from making glass that is the be all end all.


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Mar 23, 2013 11:34 |  #15

For travel, and I travel often, quite a few times in Rome, you will find that you will want more range. And because you cannot control lighting conditions, the IS is really important. In dimly lit Pantheon, inside St. Peter's, you will be glad you have the extended range of the 24-105mm.


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