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Apr 01, 2013 18:35 |  #16

shinyknights wrote in post #15780357 (external link)
Then gear does matter! :D

Gear matters only in getting the right equipment to match the photographers vision. To many are on the gear-go-round. A great quote by Weston.
"The fact is that relatively few photographers ever master their medium. Instead they allow the medium to master them and go on an endless squirrel cage chase from new lens to new paper to new developer to new gadget, never staying with one piece of equipment long enough to learn its full capacities, becoming lost in a maze of technical information that is of little or no use since they don't know what to do with it." - Edward Weston

But learning to truly see is the most important part of it all.




  
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Apr 01, 2013 18:39 |  #17

shinyknights wrote in post #15780270 (external link)
Why do people say that it isn't the gear that makes the photos look stunning?

It's gear that gives you bokeh.
It is the photographer who knows when shallow DOF is desirable as well as the amount and type.

It's gear that gives you bounce from your flash lite.
It is the photographer who knows where to bounce the flash from to get the best results as well as balancing the flash with ambient appropriately and getting a pleasing overall composition rather than just a well exposed snapshot.


It's gear that gives you soft boxes for soft shadows.
It is the photographer who knows how to use them to control the light to get pleasing shadows, not just soft shadows.

It's gear that allows you to go ISO 3200.
Shooting a photograph at 3200 ISO does not make it a good photograph.

It's gear that allows you to remove oblique reflections using polarizing filters.
It is the photographer who knows when reflections are best left in or removed.

Gears are important in photography!!
Yes. But the photographer is more important.


One just needs to learn how to hold the camera steady and properly expose the shots.
Angles and compositions are really just creativity added to the mix. Angles and composition and control/use of light are photography. The gear is just the means to an end.

Answered. Also, I hope you aren't a troll. :)


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Apr 01, 2013 18:42 |  #18

shinyknights wrote in post #15780335 (external link)
I'm just saying that any one who knows how to work a camera (use manual settings) should be able to take as great photos as a great photographer, right? Taking post-processing out of the mix because that is what REALLY makes photography look so great and stunning.

Sirrith wrote in post #15780402 (external link)
Also, I hope you aren't a troll. :)

With this sort of stuff, I'm kinda thinking they are.


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Apr 01, 2013 18:47 |  #19

DutchinCLE wrote in post #15780342 (external link)
http://www.flickr.com …in/set-72157629390099680/ (external link)

Was taken with a 400D and EF-S18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 by a GREAT photographer. 1600+ favorites on flickr and all kinds of awards.

He also used "ND110 - 10 stops. Software:Lightroom 2.0, PS CS4 - Silver Efex Pro" without which it would have been a just a snapshot image with may be 0 favorite.


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Apr 01, 2013 18:49 |  #20

So the creative use of equipment/software is what makes it then..


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Apr 01, 2013 19:33 as a reply to  @ DutchinCLE's post |  #21

A great photograph will only come about with the correct combination of both vision and skill from the photographer, and the correct equipment to fit that vision, both the physical gear and post-processing to match.

There is also a point where getting better gear enables a type of photo to be taken. Have you ever tried to take photos of flying birds with nothing longer than a 50mm f/1.8? I have, and the results were just as bad as you can imagine. Without the right equipment, some photos will be impossible. In other cases, they just won't be as good as they could be with the right equipment.

To some extent better gear will improve the photograph, but a lot of the time it just makes a mediocre photo a little more detailed.

In the end, all the parts need to come together just right to create a great photograph. No one element is solely responsible for the outcome.


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Apr 01, 2013 19:33 |  #22

DutchinCLE wrote in post #15780439 (external link)
So the creative use of equipment/software is what makes it then..

Its finding the right combo that allows you to get what you are seeing captured and to a final stage whatever that might be. Its usually not all the stuff but the right stuff. ;)




  
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Apr 01, 2013 19:39 |  #23

DutchinCLE wrote in post #15780439 (external link)
So the creative use of equipment/software is what makes it then..

Hehe! :D

"Give me great gear and I will develop the skill to use it to it's limit!"
or...
"I have a vision of the images I want to make...let me have the gear to translate that vision into reality!"

Which sounds the most realistic towards making fine pictures?


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Apr 01, 2013 19:45 |  #24

The real question here is If all your fancy great gear dropped in a lake would you be able to create stunning images with a less-fancy, backup kit? If you have some vision, good problem solving, and think creatively you can do it! That's something I love about photography.



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Apr 01, 2013 19:48 |  #25

If gear didn't matter I could have saved 20K and shot weddings with my Galaxy SIII.


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Apr 01, 2013 20:02 |  #26
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Not all types of photography is about creativity...

Bifs, airshows, sports photography etc are all about 'getting the shot'.

In those situation, gear is just as important as skills, creativity means very little if any.

Try giving a pro a XTi + 18-55 kit lens vs a noob with 1DX + 70-200II to shoot an indoor basketball match. I bet the noob with half a brain will most likely produce better results than the pro...


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Apr 01, 2013 20:18 |  #27

Talent is over rated.
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Really???

There is a great quote out there:
99% of the gear is better than 99% of the photographers (I would give credit if I knew where it came from)
It is a rather rare case where the gear is the limit.
Give a poor photographer a 500 f4 -plenty of examples out there, and see what they get: poor pictures with a narrow field of view.
Give a poor photographer a 85 1.2 -even more examples out there, and you will get a only-eyelashes-in -focus shot characteristic of someone who has no clue of how to use shallow depth of field.
Give a poor photographer an MPE. You will giggle browsing through highly magnified pieces of crap.


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Apr 01, 2013 20:20 |  #28

sjones wrote in post #15780308 (external link)
My answer (external link).

Also, I'm out, as I don't need to go over all of this again (give me another month), but PM's always welcome.

I'm not going to read "all" of it, but I can just tell by the first paragraph that I agree!


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Apr 01, 2013 20:36 |  #29

kin2son wrote in post #15780721 (external link)
Not all types of photography is about creativity...

Bifs, airshows, sports photography etc are all about 'getting the shot'.

In those situation, gear is just as important as skills, creativity means very little if any.

Try giving a pro a XTi + 18-55 kit lens vs a noob with 1DX + 70-200II to shoot an indoor basketball match. I bet the noob with half a brain will most likely produce better results than the pro...

I beg to differ... ;)


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Apr 01, 2013 20:43 |  #30

pixel_junkie wrote in post #15780303 (external link)
Creativity > Skill > Gear

what about light dude :D?


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