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Apr 03, 2013 13:04 |  #1

Looking at adding a lens to the line up to better shoot youth sports. Have a 7 y.o. and 4.5 y.o. who are beginning to play more and more sports. Oldest is currently doing baseball and taekwondo. Has played some soccer as well. Youngest will probably start soccer this fall and may follow in the baseball and TKD footsteps. So far I've been using the 24-105mm with acceptable but not outstanding results. The 104 mm reach is a limitation in outdoor sports and the f/4 is a limitation indoors for TKD. So, I'm in the market for a new lens to improve the situation, with the canon 70-200mm choices being at the top of the list.

Here's a list of contenders with some ideas about pros and cons for each. The Canon 70-200mm f/2.8 seems like the best choice, but I wonder about overall reach and I'm leery about the size and weight. The lack of IS would be a concern indoors, but less so outdoors. The 70-200 f/2.8 IS is probably out of my price range.

Looking for thoughts and opinions on my choices. Any good 3rd party lenses that I should consider?

Canon 70-200 f/2.8 L USM ($1,400)
Pros: f/2.8 better for low light and subject isolation, Image Quality, compatible with 1.4x and 2.0x extenders, construction quality
Cons: weight, is 200mm enough?, lack of IS (issue for sports?)

Canon 70-300 f/4-5.6 L IS USM ($1,600)
Pros: extra reach @ 300mm, IS, size and weight, construction quality
Cons: less subject isolation, less compatible and less useful with extenders, no tripod ring, reversed zoom/focus rings

Canon 70-200 f/4 L USM ($700)
Pros: Cost, Image Quality, weight
Cons: Lack of IS (issue for sports?), less subject isolation, f/4 not as useful with extenders,

Canon 70-200 f/4 L IS USM ($1,400)
Pros: Image Quality, IS, weight
Cons: less subject isolation, f/4 not as useful with extenders,

Tamron AF 70-300 f/4-5.6 SP Di VC USD XLD ($450)
Pros: extra reach @ 300mm, IS, size and weight, cost
Cons: Reduced Image Quality? less subject isolation, less compatible and less useful with extenders, reversed zoom/focus rings, Construction quality


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Apr 03, 2013 13:17 |  #2

IS shouldn't be a factor when shooting sports. If it's important to you then take a look at the Sigma 70-200/2.8 OS. It should rival the Canons in most cases.

http://www.canonpricew​atch.com …-HSM-for-Canon-price.html (external link)

Can't avoid the size and weight issue with a 70-200/2.8 zoom lens. Alternatively invest in a 70-200/4.0 for outdoor field sports and 85/1.8 for indoor (assuming you have appropriate access, which will guarantee sufficient reach).


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Apr 03, 2013 13:23 |  #3

Your main purpose may be youth sports, but if you are going to go out on the limb for that much you might as well get the most bang for your buck. Having had both, I wouldnt get a lens of that length without IS. It makes it far more useful generally. I find the f4 IS canon to the be a great bargain comparatively. It was canon's sharpest zoom lens until the 2.8 IS II was released. Its not as heavy and works very well with the i.4 extender. Unless you have a 1 series the 2x extender is a problem for any of the lenses you mention.




  
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Apr 03, 2013 13:28 |  #4

Seen some good things about the new Tamron 70-200mm 2.8 . The problem with the 70-200mm f/4 , is it will be 5.6 with a tc ...


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Apr 03, 2013 14:04 |  #5

For the things you've listed f2.8 going to be important to get the image stopping shutter speeds while keeping ISO at a min, especially for baseball and taekwondo which I assume are in doors.

IS might not that be important for the things you've listed since you'll be wanting to use high shutter speeds but 70-200's are great lens for both IQ and usable focal length and you're likely to use for other things that IS might be needed.

With that said I think you might want to strongly consider the new Tamron 70-200 VC, it's priced about the same as what you list for the 3 higher priced Canons and it edges out all the lens you listed on IQ/AF/VC(IS) the Canon 2.8 mkii is the only one the beats it across the board.

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Unless you have a 1 series the 2x extender is a problem for any of the lenses you mention.

2x TC works fine with my 2.8 on my 5DIII and 40D, but won't AF on f4 lenses without taping pins or using a non-reporting 3rd party TC(my 5dIII will after the firmware update). If my old 40D can I'd think the OP's 60D can as well.




  
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Apr 03, 2013 14:08 as a reply to  @ CountryBoy's post |  #6

If you desire to shoot inside at all you are going to need f/2.8, and it comes in handy too on a cloudy day.

The new Sigma or Tammy are your best choices unless you want the best; nothing can beat the MK II.

I opted for the Sigma and regret nothing; shot my daughters team at the Cheerleading Nationals inside the Hyperion Theater at California Adventure with execptional results.


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Apr 03, 2013 14:13 |  #7

You mentioned f4 is limited for TK, but then nearly all your telphotos end in f5.6. That's not going to work.

One of the 70-200 f2.8's is going to be your friend. You can skip IS as shutter speed will be in the 1/400+ range for sports anyway. Sigma HSM or Canon USM for AF.


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Apr 03, 2013 14:15 |  #8

Used canon 70-200mm f2.8 non IS. You can get them for $900 or so.


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Apr 03, 2013 14:34 |  #9

tkbslc wrote in post #15787414 (external link)
You mentioned f4 is limited for TK, but then nearly all your telphotos end in f5.6. That's not going to work.

One of the 70-200 f2.8's is going to be your friend. You can skip IS as shutter speed will be in the 1/400+ range for sports anyway. Sigma HSM or Canon USM for AF.

The camera's min F limit for AF goes off the lens max aperture so even on lenses w/o a fixed aperture it uses the first number in the fX-Y, so a f4-? would still work with a 1D and soon the 5dIII's f8 AF limit with a 2x TC and most other cameras with a 1.4x TC.




  
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Apr 03, 2013 14:36 |  #10

bobbyz wrote in post #15787421 (external link)
Used canon 70-200mm f2.8 non IS. You can get them for $900 or so.


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Apr 03, 2013 14:43 |  #11

lovemyram4x4 wrote in post #15787472 (external link)
The camera's min F limit for AF goes off the lens max aperture so even on lenses w/o a fixed aperture it uses the first number in the fX-Y, so a f4-? would still work with a 1D and soon the 5dIII's f8 AF limit with a 2x TC and most other cameras with a 1.4x TC.

I was referring to exposure of the lens alone. If f4 is not enough light, f4-5.6 surely won't be either.


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Apr 03, 2013 14:56 |  #12

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Looking at adding a lens to the line up to better shoot youth sports. Have a 7 y.o. and 4.5 y.o. who are beginning to play more and more sports. Oldest is currently doing baseball and taekwondo. Has played some soccer as well. Youngest will probably start soccer this fall and may follow in the baseball and TKD footsteps. So far I've been using the 24-105mm with acceptable but not outstanding results. The 104 mm reach is a limitation in outdoor sports and the f/4 is a limitation indoors for TKD. So, I'm in the market for a new lens to improve the situation, with the canon 70-200mm choices being at the top of the list.

Here's a list of contenders with some ideas about pros and cons for each. The Canon 70-200mm f/2.8 seems like the best choice, but I wonder about overall reach and I'm leery about the size and weight. The lack of IS would be a concern indoors, but less so outdoors. The 70-200 f/2.8 IS is probably out of my price range.

Looking for thoughts and opinions on my choices. Any good 3rd party lenses that I should consider?

Canon 70-200 f/2.8 L USM ($1,400)
Pros: f/2.8 better for low light and subject isolation, Image Quality, compatible with 1.4x and 2.0x extenders, construction quality
Cons: weight, is 200mm enough?, lack of IS (issue for sports?)

Canon 70-300 f/4-5.6 L IS USM ($1,600)
Pros: extra reach @ 300mm, IS, size and weight, construction quality
Cons: less subject isolation, less compatible and less useful with extenders, no tripod ring, reversed zoom/focus rings

Canon 70-200 f/4 L USM ($700)
Pros: Cost, Image Quality, weight
Cons: Lack of IS (issue for sports?), less subject isolation, f/4 not as useful with extenders,

Canon 70-200 f/4 L IS USM ($1,400)
Pros: Image Quality, IS, weight
Cons: less subject isolation, f/4 not as useful with extenders,

Tamron AF 70-300 f/4-5.6 SP Di VC USD XLD ($450)
Pros: extra reach @ 300mm, IS, size and weight, cost
Cons: Reduced Image Quality? less subject isolation, less compatible and less useful with extenders, reversed zoom/focus rings, Construction quality


Sports pictures from a Tamron 70-300mm vibration control lens.

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The Tamron 70-300mm vibration control lens is the least expensive unit on the list, but from actual use, including the above examples from real sporing events, it's worth considering.



  
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Apr 03, 2013 15:07 |  #13

tkbslc wrote in post #15787505 (external link)
I was referring to exposure of the lens alone. If f4 is not enough light, f4-5.6 surely won't be either.

Sorry, I read the TK as TC, and the OP expressed the options of using TCs. Obviously I agree with you about the lens speed per my initial post.




  
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Apr 03, 2013 15:13 |  #14

Here is my experience:

First had 70-200 F4 nonIS
Then had 70-200 F4 IS
then sold that and used that money plus $25 more and got Sigma 70-200 2.8 OS

Will never never never look back again. Even though you are doing sports buy the IS or OS, here is why. As your kids grow you will be in situations where yes while doing sports you won't need IS because of high shutter but there are times when they are sitting on the sidelines or waiting/standing still doing karate that you can slow shutter down to 1/60 and get the ISO lower when it's indoor and/or night.

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Apr 03, 2013 15:13 as a reply to  @ Tommydigi's post |  #15

Thanks all for the thoughts.

f/2.8 for indoor is probably close to a need. The current f/4 is serviceable at 1600 and 3200 ISO, but it's right at its limit. So, it's a good point that most of the lenses I listed don't really help here (or are worse). A 85 f/1.8 (or even the 100 f/2) might fill that particular need instead of going with a one lens solution. That would give me a little more flexibility on the outdoor lens and allow for one of the 70-300mm lenses to be a more viable option.

One thing that prompted me to look at the 70-200mm lenses was a refurb f/2.8 priced around $900. That seems like a great deal for what is generally regarded as a very high quality lens. Plus adding a 1.4 extender would give me more flexibility (~100-400mm f/4). But, the question of overall reach and IS got me really looking at alternatives. I'll have to give the tamron and sigma a look. I had previously subscribed to the sigma sample thread . . . not sure why it slipped my mind here.


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