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Apr 05, 2013 11:48 |  #166

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Couple shots of my son, bright sunlight, under an umbrella


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LOL I would have taken this as a April fools day joke, but that has done passed.


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Apr 05, 2013 11:55 |  #167

v35skyline wrote in post #15793731 (external link)
Agreed.

gonzogolf wrote in post #15793715 (external link)
You didnt come close to overpowering the sun here.

abbadon31 wrote in post #15793840 (external link)
LOL I would have taken this as a April fools day joke, but that has done passed.

Thanks for the kind words... Without the flash the sun would have made the subject too dark... I used a strobe to correct it like every other post here, no...? Not sure what I'm missing...


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Apr 05, 2013 11:58 |  #168

mguffin wrote in post #15793858 (external link)
Thanks for the kind words... Without the flash the sun would have made the subject too dark... I used a strobe to correct it like every other post here, no...? Not sure what I'm missing...

Overpowering the sun is the act of making the flash brighter than the sun. If you look at the posted examples people have shot in bright sunlight, but have underexposed the ambient and then made the flash the dominant light source. This is sometimes also called key shifting. All you have done is some simple fill light. If you look at your background its blown out outside of whatever shade the subject is in.




  
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Apr 05, 2013 11:58 |  #169

You know overpowering the sun means background and subject not just subject?


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Apr 05, 2013 12:07 |  #170

gonzogolf wrote in post #15793867 (external link)
Overpowering the sun is the act of making the flash brighter than the sun. If you look at the posted examples people have shot in bright sunlight, but have underexposed the ambient and then made the flash the dominant light source. This is sometimes also called key shifting. All you have done is some simple fill light. If you look at your background its blown out outside of whatever shade the subject is in.

So, I need to underexpose scene, then use the flash to properly expose the subject... got it...

abbadon31 wrote in post #15793869 (external link)
You know overpowering the sun means background and subject not just subject?

This would have been a better response than your original one, thanks...


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Apr 05, 2013 12:23 as a reply to  @ mguffin's post |  #171

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Used an Elinchrom Ranger RX, one head with a BD. I cant remember the power settings on my Ranger but the camera settings were 1/400 second @ f/10.0 at about 2:30 pm in Colorado
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Apr 05, 2013 12:34 |  #172

mguffin wrote in post #15793894 (external link)
So, I need to underexpose scene, then use the flash to properly expose the subject... got it...

This would have been a better response than your original one, thanks...


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Apr 05, 2013 12:50 |  #173

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Just to help you out

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Those are great examples... Except for "kill", I thought the other 3 were the same, but your examples define each one perfectly... Thanks...


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Apr 10, 2013 20:46 |  #174

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around 300WS to get the dark sky.



  
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Apr 11, 2013 14:52 |  #175

I know there is a lot of info here but Im in a bind for simple quick & in a hurry. Long story short- Im doing a ballpark in 2 days- 12 teams-that has no shade-just went and looked. They have me taking team & all individuals for that team every 20 min all day. Forecast is sunny. I have PW & 580ex2 + 430ex2 or I can use elinchrom bxri 500 & 250 with soft boxes. I don't need to overpower sun just have some decent exposure of player..... Oh and I have to light team as well. Any suggestions are GREATLY APPRECIATED !!!!!




  
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Apr 11, 2013 15:00 |  #176

Tum67 wrote in post #15816729 (external link)
I know there is a lot of info here but Im in a bind for simple quick & in a hurry. Long story short- Im doing a ballpark in 2 days- 12 teams-that has no shade-just went and looked. They have me taking team & all individuals for that team every 20 min all day. Forecast is sunny. I have PW & 580ex2 + 430ex2 or I can use elinchrom bxri 500 & 250 with soft boxes. I don't need to overpower sun just have some decent exposure of player..... Oh and I have to light team as well. Any suggestions are GREATLY APPRECIATED !!!!!

Which PW do you have? Do you have any ND filters? Sunny 16 rule means F16 at 1/100 at ISO 100. The bare strobes will give you fill for the team shots. You can add softboxes and the two strobes for the individual shots. Try underexposing the ambient by a stop if you can and let the strobes do fill if you can. Test shots are essential before you show up and try this.




  
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Apr 11, 2013 15:19 as a reply to  @ gonzogolf's post |  #177

I have MiniTT1 and FlexTT5. I have circular PL




  
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Apr 11, 2013 15:22 |  #178

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I have MiniTT1 and FlexTT5. I have circular PL

I know you can do some hypersync stuff with those triggers but I dont know that I would worry about it with the team shots. Individual shots it might be nice to shallow out the DOF a little with the CPL and Hypersync but on the other you might just want to make the best of the light as it is. To whatever degree possible keep the sun behind the subject and use the strobes for fill.




  
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Apr 11, 2013 17:00 |  #179

Thank you very much for the advice gonzogolf. Going tomorrow to field to practice before sat!!!!




  
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Apr 12, 2013 09:56 as a reply to  @ Tum67's post |  #180

Fired with the Elinchrom Ranger Quadra 400ws at full power. Seems to be good enough to balance and over power the sun a slight bit. Although I wish it was 500ws which would be great for this portable light setup


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