Gear vs Skill

Holy cow, now it's 15 pages. I'll check back in a few days
BTW, you can give someone the finest welding equipment in the world, but if they weld a bunch of barbed wire, tractor seats, i beams, and gears together, is it fine art?

20droger wrote in post #15794153
Back when you were a God!

I bumped into Moses the other day and said he was looking for God and that $20 he loaned him....

whuband wrote in post #15794262
Holy cow, now it's 15 pages. I'll check back in a few days
BTW, you can give someone the finest welding equipment in the world, but if they weld a bunch of barbed wire, tractor seats, i beams, and gears together, is it fine art?

Some think so. Others, not so much.

airfrogusmc wrote in post #15794276
I bumped into Moses the other day and said he was looking for God and that $20 he loaned him....

What camera did he have?

20droger wrote in post #15794153
Back when you were a God!

Just because Odin sent me down to mingle with you Midgardians is no reason to assume I am no longer divine!
I am learning a valuable lesson in humility!!

20droger wrote in post #15794374
Some think so. Others, not so much.

Depends on if the art is considered subjective. Give that same person top of the line welding equipment and ask them to weld up a a bust of Abraham Lincoln. If they have zero artistic skill then their rendition would most likely look like a pile of steel mush! That is where the difference is. Give an unskilled photographer top of the line equipment and ask them to shoot a wedding!..Good luck!. Give a skilled photographer average equipment and they will find a way to get the shots they need to satisfy the client!

DocFrankenstein wrote in post #15795196
What camera did he have?

Deardorff what else....

flashpoint99 wrote in post #15795263
Depends on if the art is considered subjective. Give that same person top of the line welding equipment and ask them to weld up a a bust of Abraham Lincoln. If they have zero artistic skill then their rendition would most likely look like a pile of steel mush! That is where the difference is. Give an unskilled photographer top of the line equipment and ask them to shoot a wedding!..Good luck!. Give a skilled photographer average equipment and they will find a way to get the shots they need to satisfy the client!

Art is not as subjective as many think!!!

airfrogusmc wrote in post #15795275
Art is not as subject as many think!!!

That statement is itself subjective. And anyway, Art who?

20droger wrote in post #15795995
That statement is itself subjective. And anyway, Art who?

My buddy Art. Great guy, crappy photographer, in my opinion, but some like his work

airfrogusmc wrote in post #15796590
My buddy Art. Great guy, crappy photographer, in my opinion, but some like his work

I think you and I know the same guy Allen - I run into him a lot these days .

sapearl wrote in post #15796602
I think you and I know the same guy Allen - I run into him a lot these days .

That guys everywhere.

"People always ask about cameras but it doesn't matter what camera you have. You can have the most modern camera in the world but if you don't have an eye, the camera is worthless." - Alfred Eisenstaedt

"If the photographer succeeds in reflecting the exterior as well as interior world, his subject appear as “in real life.” In order to achieve this, the photographer must respect the mood, become integrated into the environment, avoid all the tricks that destroy human truth, and also make the subject of the photo forget the camera and the person using it. Complicated equipment and lights get in the way of naïve, unposed subjects. What is more fleeting than the expression on a face?" - Henri Cartier-Bresson

airfrogusmc wrote in post #15797025
"People always ask about cameras but it doesn't matter what camera you have. You can have the most modern camera in the world but if you don't have an eye, the camera is worthless." - Alfred Eisenstaedt

"If the photographer succeeds in reflecting the exterior as well as interior world, his subject appear as “in real life.” In order to achieve this, the photographer must respect the mood, become integrated into the environment, avoid all the tricks that destroy human truth, and also make the subject of the photo forget the camera and the person using it. Complicated equipment and lights get in the way of naïve, unposed subjects. What is more fleeting than the expression on a face?" - Henri Cartier-Bresson

That HCB qoute is awesome, but there's photographers who can't relate to it. A wedding, sports, landscape, senior portrait, etc. photographer doesn't have to take stealth or invisibility into account for what they do.

namtot wrote in post #15797076
That HCB qoute is awesome, but there's photographers who can't relate to it. A wedding, sports, landscape, senior portrait, etc. photographer doesn't have to take stealth or invisibility into account for what they do.

The point is the ability to see is the most important ingredient. Without it no camera, lens or whatever is even remotely relevant.