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Dealing with "exclusive" photogs

 
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Apr 01, 2013 19:39 |  #1

So, here's the deal. I have a "non-exclusive" deal with my local track to have access for all events in order to both sell for my profit and provide pictures for the tracks promotion. We went with a "non-exclusive" deal because this is only the track's second season in operation and we know that several of the organizers have photogs that they work with and didn't want to make waves. Well, at an event this past weekend I ran into the issue of a photographer that has an "exclusive" deal with the organizer and that no one else is allowed access to the track. He said that even though I have a deal with the track to have access, his "exclusivity" with the organizer trumps my deal with the track owners.

I don't want to really step on toes, but if the track has it's own photographer, can an organizer really prevent them access to the track? And if so, does that mean that I should push for exclusivity and mess with all the other photographers (not really what I want)? Or are there other options?


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Apr 02, 2013 08:41 |  #2

The answer to whether the organizer can deny you access may depend on the terms of the agreement between the organizer and the track. If the contract specifies that the organizer has exclusive control over photography, or exclusive control regarding access to the facility, then you're out if they say so. If the organizer's contract with the track doesn't address the issue, then the organizer (and their "exclusive" photographer) have no right to exclude you. If this is the case, it will likely come down to whether the track is willing to support you or not. If the organizer, who has likely paid for the use of the track, insists that you be excluded then the track will probably agree. On the other hand, if the track insists that you be allowed in and the organizer doesn't much care then you will be allowed in.


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Apr 02, 2013 11:50 |  #3

Thanks. I guess it comes down to a pissing match. What was frustrating this past weekend was that the track wasn't aware of the "exclusive" deal the organizer had, so I had access to the track. I even talked with the photographer during the day and he never said anything. I only found out about it after I posted the pictures on my website and linked them to the track's FaceBook page, then the photog had an issue. My big thing, at this point, is to try to develop some working relationships with these other photographers, so that everyone can benefit.


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Apr 02, 2013 23:12 |  #4

Good luck working with other photogs. It can be quite hit and miss as some will work with you while others want nothing to do with another photographer.

I have to agree with Richard on your current issue. It all comes down to the contract between the track and whomever is promoting or renting the facility for an event.


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Apr 08, 2013 09:10 |  #5

I run into the same thing. We have one race a year where the organization renting the track has an exclusive agreement with a photographer and he is not a very pleasant fellow. I just take the day off.




  
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Apr 08, 2013 17:51 |  #6

Jim M wrote in post #15803153 (external link)
I run into the same thing. We have one race a year where the organization renting the track has an exclusive agreement with a photographer and he is not a very pleasant fellow. I just take the day off.

Unfortunately it seems that most of the motorcycle organizers have their photographers, and the car guys are less likely to buy pictures. The other problem is the newness of the track, this is only their second season, so all these organizers that have been operating for years have their built in relationships and the track is uncertain about working me into the works. It's a bit of a learning experience for all of us.


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Apr 08, 2013 18:48 |  #7

I guess I'm a pushover, but I have always welcomed other photographers at "my" track. I figure if they're better than me, then they get to sell the pics. And generally I've been welcomed at other tracks, but I don't try to steal the other guy's or gal's business. I eventually get my pictures from other tracks up on the web and they are available for purchase, but I'm so slow the tracks' regular photographers always have their stuff up way before I do, and I'm talking about months later normally. I always share that information with the other track's photographer and so far, they have been fine with it.




  
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Apr 08, 2013 23:04 |  #8

Yeah, I have no problem with other photographers being there, but they see to have a problem with anyone else shooting "their" organization. I personally believe that the competition is good for the business. Without the competition, you don't have to be your best because you already have a captive clientele. You given them no better options.


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Apr 08, 2013 23:23 |  #9

at this stage of the game, it's between the organizer and the track to work out. The other photog is a paid gun by the organizer and you have your deal w/ the track. Let management work it out.


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Apr 10, 2013 17:42 as a reply to  @ DagoImaging's post |  #10

He's probably not a paid gun as you call it,He probably paid a good price to be the exclusive shooter for the series,and they usually dont appreciate other photog's selling at the event they paid to be at,usually if they catch you selling they will ask you to stop,if you dont they can have security escort you out,thats just the way it works. They pay alot of money and you cant blame them.


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Apr 11, 2013 10:34 |  #11

kelly andersen wrote in post #15813367 (external link)
He's probably not a paid gun as you call it,He probably paid a good price to be the exclusive shooter for the series,and they usually dont appreciate other photog's selling at the event they paid to be at,usually if they catch you selling they will ask you to stop,if you dont they can have security escort you out,thats just the way it works. They pay alot of money and you cant blame them.

Actually, I know that with several of the guys, they "paid" to be exclusive by simply offering free pictures to the organizer and it's employees. Which, by the way, is my contract with the track. But neither I, nor the track, wanted an "exclusive" deal because of the organizers coming into the facility.


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Apr 11, 2013 10:36 |  #12

DagoImaging wrote in post #15806321 (external link)
at this stage of the game, it's between the organizer and the track to work out. The other photog is a paid gun by the organizer and you have your deal w/ the track. Let management work it out.

Actually, most are not "paid guns". And, really, if they were then there would be no fear of competition because they are already being paid to be there. Making sales would just be the benefit.


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Apr 29, 2013 17:40 as a reply to  @ veritasimagerynw's post |  #13

i hate exclusive photographers.

mostly because i'm journalistic in nature. i shoot and then write an article about it. i couldn't care less about selling photos to whoever's there.

but then the exclusive photographer gets his panties in a bunch. thinks i'm stealing food out of his kids' mouths or something, even when i explain that we're not even competitors.




  
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Apr 30, 2013 11:34 |  #14

What's really sad is that many of these "exclusive" shooters' images pretty much suck. They shoot and dump and end up with shots where the rider's head is partly cut off, the bike isn't in frame. that are out of focus, etc. and then force the "clients" to buy full packages. It's like the photogs get lazy because they don't have any competition, and the riders/drivers are stuck with what they offer.


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Apr 30, 2013 18:29 as a reply to  @ veritasimagerynw's post |  #15

even if they're good, the purpose is totally different. they're there to sell the participants photos of themselves, so I see pretty much nothing but close-in shots of individual cars/bikes, taken at conservative shutter speeds for a high keeper ratio.

never gonna see the super long pans or a wide shot of whole field coming over a crest with epic clouds or wild artistic stuff if he's the only guy allowed to shoot trackside.




  
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