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1D Mark IV Vs. 5D Mark III

 
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Apr 10, 2013 03:12 |  #1

Hello, I'm currently in the position of weather to buy a 1D Mark IV or a 5D Mark III.

I mainly shoot sports and also fires (Bushfires, major fires etc) and I have to chance to buy a 1D Mark IV much cheaper than what it should be going for. I have however been eyeing off the 5D Mark III for some time now.

Thing is I still can't get over the shutter speed of the 1D, anyone have any suggestions for my dilemma?

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Apr 10, 2013 03:17 |  #2

For sports the FPS will matter more. Since you didn't mention that low lighting matters to you, I would recommend the 1D MKIV. The AF system is better and will lock on faster with the 5D3, but the frame rate isn't there compare to the mkiv. What's more important to you? FPS, 1D weather seal, or 61 AF system, and high ISO control.




  
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Apr 10, 2013 03:28 |  #3

Granted I don't shoot much at night or low light it could factor in. Sometimes those major emergencies happen during the night, however I do usually cope with getting usable shots with those photos. The 1D MKIV will still produce nice photos though right, or would the 5D beat it in terms of quality?




  
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Apr 10, 2013 03:41 |  #4

IMO in terms of low lighting quality the 5D3 has the 1D beat in that area.

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45 AF point
10 FPS
1.3 crop factor
12800 ISO
16 MP

5D MKIII
Full frame
25600 ISO
22 MP
6 FPS

It really depends on what you shoot more off. Clearly the 5D3 can also take some awesome sports shot as well. I'll come down to price and shooting style.




  
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Apr 10, 2013 06:12 |  #5

I always take my 1DIII and Nikon D4 for sport event and leave 5DIII home because buffer on 5DIII is too small for sport event.


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Apr 10, 2013 07:08 |  #6

I have both.

The 1D4 is superior in sports. Tracking faster and the higher FPS helps a lot in some cases.
The 5D3 is better at low light, and the colors feel a bit better.

Note that the 1D4 has light metering on the 19 main AF points while the 5D3 is only in the center, so it helps a lot if you want to compose and set he lightning to a certain off-center point.

There is also the extra grip which helps, and its a bit less bricky than the 5D3 with a grip.

If you want one body and your main is sports, I suggest the 1D4. For fires, it depends what you are shooting exactly. If you are focusing on decent light and the fire itself, the low light improvement of the 5D3 isn't that a must have.

Also the fact that fire areas have a lot of smoke, dust in the air, heat, I suggest again to take the 1D4 which has a more sturdy body overall than the 5D3, and might live longer in hard conditions.


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Apr 10, 2013 07:17 |  #7

I've used both, and I would take the 1DIV, and it's no slouch in low light, although the 5DIII is marginally better, I doubt the difference would be that significant for what you are shooting.


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Apr 10, 2013 07:30 |  #8

vorlon1 wrote in post #15811084 (external link)
I've used both, and I would take the 1DIV, and it's no slouch in low light, although the 5DIII is marginally better, I doubt the difference would be that significant for what you are shooting.


I agree here 1000%... I sold the MKIV and have big regrets selling it. But for what we do, it was the right decision. These 2 cameras are so close to equal that you have to get Nit picky to really see and feel the differences...5D3 definitely better in low light...low light is MKIV's weak point...Servo on the 5D3 blows away the MKIV in low light.....1Dx solves everything


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Apr 10, 2013 08:24 |  #9

I didn't find any issues with AF or the buffer when using 5dmk3 for sports. Slower FPS I agree can be an issue sometimes. Metering, most everyone I know shoots manual.:)

Mainly sports, I would pick 1dmk4 though. If shooting sports and other things then 5dmk3.


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Apr 10, 2013 08:32 |  #10

I would buy the 1D Mark IV.
Since it most likely will be discontinued, and you can get a good deal on one, go for it now.
Down the road you may feel the need to add a 5D Mark III.
Enjoy.


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Apr 10, 2013 08:41 |  #11

MG-Photgraphy wrote in post #15810707 (external link)
... I have to chance to buy a 1D Mark IV much cheaper than what it should be going for.

Do you know the seller? If yes, then no problems. If no, then there might be a problem - like stolen or issues with the camera and the seller is looking to take the money and run.

I am cautious about people selling anything "much cheaper than what it should be going for."


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Apr 10, 2013 09:08 |  #12

This.

As an owner of both, I shoot a ton of sports photos, also. I would much prefer the 1D4 over the 5D3 if I only were able to own one. I do a lot of outdoor sports photos (football, softball, baseball, track, etc.) and I would feel safer knowing if it started to rain, the camera wouldn't hesitate to work for me.

The 1D4 has a certain... feel... to it. That just makes you know you have something, that if you drop it, someone runs into you, etc., that you know you will be able to continue on, should something happen.

And I have dropped my 1D4, two feet onto hardwood floor at a basketball game. Scratched the paint a little, but nothing else. I can't say I would feel the same if I dropped the 5D3.

Eyal wrote in post #15811068 (external link)
I have both.

The 1D4 is superior in sports. Tracking faster and the higher FPS helps a lot in some cases.
The 5D3 is better at low light, and the colors feel a bit better.

Note that the 1D4 has light metering on the 19 main AF points while the 5D3 is only in the center, so it helps a lot if you want to compose and set he lightning to a certain off-center point.

There is also the extra grip which helps, and its a bit less bricky than the 5D3 with a grip.

If you want one body and your main is sports, I suggest the 1D4. For fires, it depends what you are shooting exactly. If you are focusing on decent light and the fire itself, the low light improvement of the 5D3 isn't that a must have.

Also the fact that fire areas have a lot of smoke, dust in the air, heat, I suggest again to take the 1D4 which has a more sturdy body overall than the 5D3, and might live longer in hard conditions.


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Apr 10, 2013 12:59 as a reply to  @ GoodEye906's post |  #13

For what you do and if you can get a 1d4 for cheaper than a 5d3, then the former would make sense. Well take in account of condition.

Having said that, the 5d3 is very good and will give the 1d4 a run for its money in fast changing situations as long as 6fps is enough. AF is more robust, but I don't know if you can see much difference for PJ work. But the 1d4 will drive a large tele better than a 5d3 because of the battery power.

Not sure if you value this, but the Silent Shutter with the 5d3 is amazing. It is worth the price of admission alone when you need absolute discretionary photography.

While the buffer for the 5d3 is good, it goes down the toilet when you use SD card 2ndary write storage. Thank you Canon.


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Apr 11, 2013 05:20 as a reply to  @ delhi's post |  #14

Thanks for the help guys, I think I'm going to go for the 1D. 1D seems more sturdy and could take more than a 5D. Sounds perfect for what I need. Made the phone call just now and I'll have it tomorrow. :D

Craign wrote in post #15811281 (external link)
Do you know the seller? If yes, then no problems. If no, then there might be a problem - like stolen or issues with the camera and the seller is looking to take the money and run.

I am cautious about people selling anything "much cheaper than what it should be going for."

No worries there, a close mate just bought one and his wife is not happy with the purchase he made and as a result she is making him sell it, Yikes!

Good for me though....




  
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Apr 11, 2013 08:03 |  #15

MG-Photgraphy wrote in post #15815037 (external link)
Thanks for the help guys, I think I'm going to go for the 1D. 1D seems more sturdy and could take more than a 5D. Sounds perfect for what I need. Made the phone call just now and I'll have it tomorrow. :D

No worries there, a close mate just bought one and his wife is not happy with the purchase he made and as a result she is making him sell it, Yikes!

Good for me though....

Great and congratulations on getting a tremendous camera at a great price. Wish I could find a deal like that. My friends wives don't have a clue as to what their husbands spend on "toys."


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