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6D vs 5D3, can't make up my mind...

 
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Apr 10, 2013 00:56 |  #526
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jocau wrote in post #15810460 (external link)
Kind of. A few days ago, I was thinking about the 6D again, since it is cheap now and the IQ is slightly better. Also the price of the 5D3 doesn't seem to drop over here. It's just so hard to justify the price of the 5D3 even though I want its AF system so badly. I should go to a store one day and hold both to see how they feel in my hand, but I don't really have time for that now...

The IQ and ISO diff is a wash between the 6D and 5D3 unless you go Nikon :p

If you want the 5D3 AF so badly, just suck it up and get it.

I used to have the 5D2 and I hated being limited to the centre point, I was never happy with focus recompose with my fast primes. So when I was looking to upgrade, 6D was out of the equation straight away.

And unless you have a girly hand and you are in fact a female, 5D3 feels and grips so much better than the 6D with better (pro) ergonomics.


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Apr 10, 2013 06:06 |  #527

kin2son wrote in post #15810565 (external link)
And unless you have a girly hand and you are in fact a female, 5D3 feels and grips so much better than the 6D with better (pro) ergonomics.

Not really, and the 6D's lighter weight definitely helps the ergonomics.


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Apr 10, 2013 06:34 |  #528

Mornnb wrote in post #15810955 (external link)
Not really, and the 6D's lighter weight definitely helps the ergonomics.

Not really. Especially when mounted on a wide aperture L lens. The extra weight can balance the lens better


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Apr 10, 2013 06:59 |  #529

You are talking about the 70-200mm F2.8L I assume. But for standard size lenses like the 24-105mm and 24-70mm, they feel much better matched with the 6D.


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kin2son wrote in post #15810565 (external link)
And unless you have a girly hand and you are in fact a female, 5D3 feels and grips so much better than the 6D with better (pro) ergonomics.

Interesting. Last time I checked... was still a guy. My "girly hand" can palm a basketball and for some reason still prefers the 6D. What's going on here?


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Apr 10, 2013 12:54 |  #531

I have both 6d and 5d3, they are both equally un/comfortable with 70-200 2.8 IS II, you would need a battery grip to change comfort level.


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Apr 10, 2013 13:13 as a reply to  @ ifi's post |  #532

Took some pictures of a (stray?) cat I feed everyday using my 70-200 F/4L IS and 550D. Most of them were taken at 185-200mm (all at F/4) and the cat was standing about 2-4 meters away from me. I used 2 methods (I always focused on the eyes and put the cat near the right edge of the picture):

1) focus & recompose with the center AF point.
2) focus using the outer AF points without recomposing

Even at this medium distance and medium aperture the difference in sharpness (eyes) was clearly visible when being viewed at 100% (shutterspeed was high enough to shoot without IS most of the time, but I still used IS on all shots). It shows me the importance of having many AF points spread across the frame so focus & recompose can be avoided. This puts me one step closer to the 5D3 (while the justifying part puts me one step back).


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Apr 10, 2013 13:52 |  #533

jocau wrote in post #15812256 (external link)
Took some pictures of a (stray?) cat I feed everyday using my 70-200 F/4L IS and 550D. Most of them were taken at 185-200mm (all at F/4) and the cat was standing about 2-4 meters away from me. I used 2 methods (I always focused on the eyes and put the cat near the right edge of the picture):

1) focus & recompose with the center AF point.
2) focus using the outer AF points without recomposing

Even at this medium distance and medium aperture the difference in sharpness (eyes) was clearly visible when being viewed at 100% (shutterspeed was high enough to shoot without IS most of the time, but I still used IS on all shots). It shows me the importance of having many AF points spread across the frame so focus & recompose can be avoided. This puts me one step closer to the 5D3 (while the justifying part puts me one step back).

I've seen these tests go both ways. I've tested this out myself with static inanimate objects and found that the difference in sharpness was always negligible. Sometimes focus and recompose was sharper, sometimes outer point was sharper. I think it largely depends on the photographer. For me focus and recompose is better because it's always faster, I'd rather have the shot in less than perfect sharpness than not have the shot at all.


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Apr 10, 2013 14:18 |  #534

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I've seen these tests go both ways. I've tested this out myself with static inanimate objects and found that the difference in sharpness was always negligible. Sometimes focus and recompose was sharper, sometimes outer point was sharper. I think it largely depends on the photographer. For me focus and recompose is better because it's always faster, I'd rather have the shot in less than perfect sharpness than not have the shot at all.

Well in my case the difference was clear at 100%. Not gigantic, but definitely visible. Getting the shot is of course important, but I don't know for sure if using the center AF point only to focus&recompose is actually faster. I assume you make sure the center AF point is always selected so you don't have to select the center AF point when a could-be-a-great-shot situation is occuring. I don't like centered subjects, so I make sure one of my most used peripheral AF points is selected. If I want to place the subject on that side, I also don't have to change my AF point when a could-be-a-great-shot situation occurs. For reasonably static subjects, I would definitely prefer avoiding focus&recompose.


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Apr 10, 2013 18:30 |  #535

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They eventually will. In probably about 4 years you can buy a 5D3 for $500. Why dont you just wait until then?

no the case with the 5d 2?




  
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Apr 10, 2013 21:16 |  #536

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Well in my case the difference was clear at 100%. Not gigantic, but definitely visible. Getting the shot is of course important, but I don't know for sure if using the center AF point only to focus&recompose is actually faster. I assume you make sure the center AF point is always selected so you don't have to select the center AF point when a could-be-a-great-shot situation is occuring. I don't like centered subjects, so I make sure one of my most used peripheral AF points is selected. If I want to place the subject on that side, I also don't have to change my AF point when a could-be-a-great-shot situation occurs. For reasonably static subjects, I would definitely prefer avoiding focus&recompose.

Your first problem is viewing your images at 100%... the actual difference is negligible even at 1:2. I use my outer points if I'm shooting something completely still, but I always leave it set to center point "just in case". Also, these days I shoot %75 of my shots with manual lenses, so it's really much less an issue :cool:


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Apr 10, 2013 21:17 |  #537

Did he ever pick a camera? I see he still has his T2i


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Apr 10, 2013 21:18 |  #538

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Did he ever pick a camera?

Nope... he's been lurking in the 6D thread though :p


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EverydayGetaway wrote in post #15814106 (external link)
Nope... he's been lurking in the 6D thread though :p

oh cool. I hope he find something and be happy with it. The only advice I can give him is If you buy a 5d mark III you won't ever have to say what if


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Apr 10, 2013 23:11 |  #540

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #15814106 (external link)
Nope... he's been lurking in the 6D thread though :p

To be honest I prefer the 6D thread over the 5D3 thread. There seems to be a bit more talent in the 6D thread. Or maybe it's just the fact that the 6D users have to work their shot a bit harder which makes them think a bit more about it. I dunno... And of course the 6D thread has a powerful weapon the 5D3 thread doesn't have i.e. Chipper. :D


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